[[:Category:German irregular verbs]]

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Good evening,

as you seem to be a specialist in Germanic languages, I would ask you a question. Is this category useful ? Isn't it more common to speak of "German strong verbs" ?

23:46, 21 November 2012

Are all of the verbs in that category regular strong verbs, though? Or even strong verbs at all? I know brennen and bringen are weak verbs. And sein is certainly not regular.

02:04, 22 November 2012

I think they are not really weak verbs, because they undergo ablaut as strong verbs : brennen, brannte, gebrannt ; bringen, brachte, gebracht. But they have regular endings indeed... So yes, it is maybe better to keep this category for this kind of verb. Thank you !

11:53, 22 November 2012

I think you have it a bit backwards. Not all verbs that have vowel changes are strong verbs. Rather, (almost) all verbs that have a -t suffix are weak verbs, even if they have vowel changes in the past tense. I will try to explain the origin of the verbs in that category.

  • stehen, bestehen, erstehen, verstehen - This verb was already irregular in Proto-Germanic. It had two different present tense stems (*stand- and *stā-/*stai-) but a single past tense stem (*stōþ-). gehen was also like this.
  • brennen, kennen, nennen, senden, wenden - These verbs are actually weak, and the vowel change is because of umlaut in the present tense that disappears in the past tense (so the e should really be ä?). This is called Rückumlaut in German.
  • bringen, mitbringen - This verb was irregular already in Proto-Germanic. It was a weak verb, but for some reason it also had a vowel change.
  • dürfen, können, mögen, müssen, sollen, wissen - These are preterite-present verbs. They are neither strong nor weak, or both, depending on how you see it. The past tense is weak (with -t) but the present tense has a vowel change between the singular and plural, like the past tense of strong verbs used to have.
  • haben - This is a weak verb that has some irregular forms because it is so frequently used.
  • mahlen, salzen - These were strong verbs (the original past tense would have been *muhl and *si(e)lz) but the past tense was replaced by a weak past tense instead. However, the strong past participle (ending in -en) was kept, making them a kind of strong-weak mixed verb. Dutch has many more of these verbs: Category:Dutch mixed verbs.
  • sein - Was irregular in Proto-Germanic. Its present is irregular, the past tense is taken from a completely different stem, which was strong.
  • tun, vertun - Was irregular in Proto-Germanic.
  • werden - Was originally a normal strong verb like helfen, with the past *ward and *worden. The past tense now has the stem wurd- instead for reasons I don't know.
  • wollen - Was irregular in Proto-Germanic. The past tense was weak, but the present tense had no indicative forms originally, only subjunctive.
14:14, 22 November 2012

Good afternoon,

thank you for your answer. Now I have another question : in your opinion, does it make sense to have articles like *h₂ows-, where a noun is ended by a "-" ? Wouldn't it be more logical to have this only for roots, and something like *ǵr̥h₂nóm for nouns (*h₂ows) ?

14:09, 24 November 2012

We don't use - only for roots, we also use it for verb stems. The - just means that we don't know what followed it or that several possible things may have followed it, but that the word is not complete without it.

14:29, 24 November 2012