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Hello, and welcome to Wiktionary. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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User name[edit]

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you may have to change your user name soon. According to this article (scroll down to Issue 45), Wikimedia projects are phasing out the @ symbol as an allowable character in user names. The issue is twofold. First, many people use email addresses as user names, a practice they're trying to discourage due to the prevalence of spam bots that harvest the web for lists. Second, it does in fact cause some technical problem with the software. You'll still be able to log in for awhile, but please be warned that it's not permanent.

When you decide on a replacement user name, please post a request here and I will gladly make the change for you. I don't read that page often, so please nudge me on my talk page, too. —Dvortygirl 06:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Reminder, your ability to log in now is not permanent, with this username. --Connel MacKenzie 17:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


The function of en-verb2 is now (and has been for a while) in en-verb, users can select box display with CSS. It shouldn't be used directly in pages. (Sometime, someone will have to clear out the remaining 30 or so entries that still use it.) Robert Ullmann 12:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)



I was wondering what are you trying to accomplish with this entry? Did you mean to redirect to intra-? In general, redirects are discouraged on en.wikt (though this might be a case where it's reasonable.) --Jeffqyzt 17:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I was just noticing some of the others, as well. Since they often are words in other languages, they are not supposed to be redirects. --Connel MacKenzie 20:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Reminder: You still are using the "@" account, which will become inoperative at some point. --Connel MacKenzie 20:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Wiktionary templates[edit]

Because Wiktionary is case sensitive, we use lower case latters for almost all templates (except for some of the language name templates used in etymologies). So it is preferred that one use {{wikipedia}}, rather than {{Wikipedia}}. --EncycloPetey 23:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


Hiya, great work with your French additions. Couple of things - please include the gender of new words in French. There are specific noun templates for French if you want to do it that way - have a look at what I did to dividende. Widsith 16:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


Please do not use the trans-templates for sections other than translations. They're not intended for "Derived terms" or other non-translation sections, because those sections are supposed to look different! --EncycloPetey 09:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Blank sections[edit]

Please remember not to add blank sections, e.g. ascendance#Etymology. Thanks. --Connel MacKenzie 19:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


All English nouns should use the template {{en-noun}}. All other forms are obsolete and should be replaced with this template. --EncycloPetey 19:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


What are you trying to say, with the heading ===Paronym===? That it is a paraody? --Connel MacKenzie 20:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

No, the two words cachet and caché are paronyms because they have a close pronunciation, but just wait a moment please because I'm adding French noun to cachet :D. 16@r 20:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah. Thank you for the link...but, which is it? Offhand, I forget where cognates are listed (if they are listed at all.) And if you mean they are homonyms ( some dialects, I guess) then the heading is still wrong. I guess I'll see when you finish with cachet.  :-)   --Connel MacKenzie 20:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, actually when two words are almost homophones (cognates or not) we can say they are paronymes. Here I wanted to make the link because the pronunciation of the two words in French are close. Yes sometimes certain peoples doesn't correctly distinguish the two sounds /e/ (closed e) and /ɛ/ (open e) which may be ambiguous. Examples:
  1. verb être in present at the second and third person of singular (tu es, il/elle/on est "you are, he/she/it is" both pronunced /ɛ/) and the conjunction et (and, pronunced /e/). (also explainded on Wikibooks Français/ET et EST). The two sounds must be well distincted, especially when the two words are just one after the other.
    «Un mouvement qui lutte et est intégré», litterarly "A movement which struggle and is integrated" (absolutely no ambiguity in English and in lot of other languages)
  2. The word événement. In French the letter é is read /e/ and è is read /ɛ/), and in fact here the right pronunciation is /e.vɛn.mɑ̃/ not /e.ven.mɑ̃/ because the Académie Française made a mistake somewhen in 17th or 18th century. They corrected the error few years ago and now the word évènement (with grave accent) (so giving the right pronunciation) is popularizing in new dictionaries though it was till nowaday considered as a mispelling. Today both are accepted. (God! red links! attends tu vas voir ^^)
It is very subtle but the good news is I've just learned caché and cachet are not only "close homophones", they are cognates (explaining their close-homophony ^^). 16@r 21:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow...thank you for the lesson. And to think, all this, just because I didn't like the non-standard heading.
Um, but wait. Now the headings themselves are even worse. I think the explanation you gave me, here on this talk page, belongs in a ===Usage notes==== section of cachet, with caché linked as a homonym. (Perhaps the usage note belongs on both entries?)
Sorry to be so picky, but the headings used on en.wiktionary have been slowly consolidating for a number of years now. The only recent heading addition I know of was User:BrettR's addition of ===Determiner=== which at this point, looks like it may not be permenantly accepted. Is it that important to call it a "patronyme" outside of the usage notes?
--Connel MacKenzie 22:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


Please stop using the template wrong. If a verb ends in a vowel, you need to give the proper forms of the English verb, not the default that comes with the default template. E.g. underscore, figure and many others. When you enter them wrong, the bots propagate your errors, and it becomes quite a pain to clean up after. --Connel MacKenzie 19:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


PLEASE be more careful! --Connel MacKenzie 15:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


You will need to rename this template. The translation interlinking template currently under development will require the content of {{Latin}} template to be "la". Also, it would be best not to include the ===See also=== header within the template, in case that header needs to be at a different level on different pages at some point in the future. --EncycloPetey 21:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


We no longer use this template. It redirects to {{wikipedia}}. --EncycloPetey 21:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Please don't break numbering schemes![edit]

Please stop making edits like those you made to take and off. It defeats the point of having numbered lists if the numbers restart halfway through. —RuakhTALK 13:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)



And please restore wikipediapl to the standard color and remove the incredibly wordy text? Thank you. Robert Ullmann 16:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I've nominated both templates for deletion. Their functionality is built into {{wikipedia}}, which should be the only template used for sister links to WP. --EncycloPetey 08:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi 16@r, I don't think Wiktionary categories are meant for stuff like Category:-scope, that information might be better kept in an appendix. Merci --Keene 20:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think that information is best suited to -scope#Derived terms, unless there's something I'm missing? —RuakhTALK 00:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
w:Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes 16@r 00:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I don't see your point. Why should there be a category of words ending in "scope"? (Also note that Wikipedia policies don't apply here.) —RuakhTALK 03:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)



I just wanted to let you know that I deleted Defusing, as we don't need that sort of redirect here. :-)

RuakhTALK 22:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


Your edits were incorrect. Parts of speech should be listed alphabetically, and this is not an English noun! --EncycloPetey 08:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I say again alphabetically; Noun should come before Verb. --EncycloPetey 08:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia templates[edit]

Please don't use any templates other than {{wikipedia}} for linking to Wikipedia. Its parameters should cover any possible needs. Also, it is much better to use the actual page name, instead of leaving {{PAGENAME}} in the template, as we don't want the correct links to be dependent on the Wiktionary page name. If it is moved for some reason, the link should still go to the same place. It is also less transparent that way. If you are copying and pasting and don't want to retype it, try using {{subst:PAGENAME}} instead. Dmcdevit·t 15:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, not to confuse you, but there are some alternative such as {{pedialite}} to use inline. DAVilla 08:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


Please don't create redirects in the main space, per artī, artis, etc. There are some exceptions, but in general they're not desirable. DAVilla 08:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


Just so you know for future formatting purposes, the etymology header in most cases precedes the pronunciation header (as per WT:ELE). Contrast your revision to blacken. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 22:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Etymology templates.[edit]

Hi there,

FYI, the etymology templates take a language code as a parameter; so, for example, chauve should have {{L.|fr}}, not simply {{L.}}. (I've gone ahead and made that change, but please note it for the future.)

RuakhTALK 15:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


Hi 16@r, would you be interested in adminship. You've been around a while, have made regular appearances, plenty of useful edits and been very helpful. State your candidature here if you wish for me to nominate you. --Keene 14:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


In general, we use redirects sparingly on Wiktionary. We don't use them for infinitives of English verbs, for example. --EncycloPetey 02:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You can make a proposal in the Beer Parlour to incude such redirects, but I don't think personally that it would be popular. We tend to avoid using redirects. --EncycloPetey 04:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Monolingual dictionaries can use redirects, per se, but we can't. --Connel MacKenzie 01:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


J'ai ajouté quelques exemples en néerlandais, qui supportent l'étymologie des exemples anglais, je pense.


Jcwf 22:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


Are you sure it is chocolate spread in France? In Italy Nutella is made from hazelnuts. SemperBlotto 22:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I always thought of it as a chocolate substitute, and anways Wikipedia claims it has cocoa, though not much. DAVilla 10:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


The damage you did to that entry is not amusing. --Connel MacKenzie 21:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

That's an interesting simplification, but unfortunately it doesn't stick to the principle of the layout since in reality the etymologies all differ. Maybe if we had a different layout the entry could be as simple without claiming identical word history. DAVilla 11:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


You think you're funny? Not even an {{rfdef}} in the (missing) English section? --Connel MacKenzie 06:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Typo corrected. --Connel MacKenzie 12:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


[1] Uh, dude... DAVilla 10:43, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Please don't copy such things from Wikipedia. While the 'pedia deals in long chunks of prose, we do not. The edit has been reverted. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 23:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Entry layout explained[edit]

Hi there, please can you read Wiktionary:Entry layout explained before continuing to edit, you are generating an enormous amount of cleanup work and it gets to the point where it is easier to block you than continue washing the floor behind you. Conrad.Irwin 19:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Noun phrase[edit]

We don't use ===Noun phrase===, ===Verb phrase===, or similar headers any longer. See WT:POS.—msh210 21:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

cas d'école[edit]

What do you think of cas d'école. I'm not happy with the translation, as it seems to mean nothing in english. Keene 09:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


We do not redirect entries. --EncycloPetey 13:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Romance language verb cleanup project[edit]

I'd like to invite you to participate in a community effort to improve the quality of common verbs in Romance languages. I've started a project page at User:EncycloPetey/Latin verbs. The plan to select (or have someone select) one or two new "verbs" each week for cleanup and expansion beyond the basic content. By "verb", I mean the corresponding entry across several Latin-descended languages, and not simply a single entry. Your help with French entries would be much appreciated. See the project page for more details and the current selection (listed near the top of the page, as well as highlighted in the tables). --EncycloPetey 07:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

IPA template[edit]

Wehn you add IPA to French entries, could you please use the {{IPA}} template? First, this template will ensure that the reader's browser will choose the correct character set. Second, it will allow a link to the Wikipedia article on French pronunciation. See this edit I made for an example. --EncycloPetey 13:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Categories for french words[edit]

Hi, i saw you recently added quite a few new French words, but did not put them in categories. Could you use {{infl|fr|..}} or other templates when creating them? That would be nice, because then they dont show up in Special:Uncategorizedpages which we are currently trying to reduce in the Wiktionary:Categorizing project. Thanks, Mutante 09:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


Sparks with fly? What is it? --Booboo 13:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

French reflexive verbs[edit]

I've recently come to the conclusion that something needs to be done regarding the treatment of French reflexive verbs. I started a discussion on User:Robert Ullmann's talk page about it. Just thought it would be nice to have more editors involved. Circeus 19:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

mise en bouteille[edit]

I had always assumed that this meant bottled (a past participle) - but my French is not very good. SemperBlotto 17:06, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Cleaning up behind you[edit]

I just fixed the incorrect templates you introduced in this edit, back in May 2008. Template:bottom is wrong there, you need to use Template:trans-bottom. Just to alert you, as I didn't see any messages about this already on your talk page. JesseW 20:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


What is this table supposed to represent? The column heads don't make sense to me. DCDuring TALK 00:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't create redirects[edit]

I fixed hemi. --Ysangkok 20:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)