同年而語

Chinese

		of the same age; of the same year	and; as well as; but (not) and; as well as; but (not); yet (not); (shows causal relation); (shows change of state); (shows contrast)	speech; language; dialect speech; language; dialect; tell to
trad. (同年而語)		同年	而	語
simp. (同年而语)		同年	而	语

Pronunciation

• Mandarin

  (Pinyin): tóngnián'éryǔ

  (Zhuyin): ㄊㄨㄥˊ ㄋㄧㄢˊ ㄦˊ ㄩˇ

• Cantonese (Jyutping): tung⁴ nin⁴ ji⁴ jyu⁵

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• Mandarin
  • (Standard Chinese)⁺
    • Hanyu Pinyin: tóngnián'éryǔ
    • Zhuyin: ㄊㄨㄥˊ ㄋㄧㄢˊ ㄦˊ ㄩˇ
    • Tongyong Pinyin: tóngnián-éryǔ
    • Wade–Giles: tʻung²-nien²-êrh²-yü³
    • Yale: túng-nyán-ér-yǔ
    • Gwoyeu Romatzyh: torngnianerlyeu
    • Palladius: тунняньэрюй (tunnjanʹerjuj)
    • Sinological IPA ^(key): /tʰʊŋ³⁵ ni̯ɛn³⁵ ˀɤɻ³⁵ y²¹⁴⁻²¹⁽⁴⁾/
• Cantonese
  • (Standard Cantonese, Guangzhou–Hong Kong)⁺
    • Jyutping: tung⁴ nin⁴ ji⁴ jyu⁵
    • Yale: tùhng nìhn yìh yúh
    • Cantonese Pinyin: tung⁴ nin⁴ ji⁴ jy⁵
    • Guangdong Romanization: tung⁴ nin⁴ yi⁴ yu⁵
    • Sinological IPA ^(key): /tʰʊŋ²¹ niːn²¹ jiː²¹ jyː¹³/

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• Middle Chinese: duwng nen nyi ngjoX

Rime
Character	同	年	而	語
Reading #	1/1	1/1	1/1	1/2
Initial (聲)	定 (7)	泥 (8)	日 (38)	疑 (31)
Final (韻)	東 (1)	先 (85)	之 (19)	魚 (22)
Tone (調)	Level (Ø)	Level (Ø)	Level (Ø)	Rising (X)
Openness (開合)	Open	Open	Open	Open
Division (等)	I	IV	III	III
Fanqie	徒紅切	奴顚切	如之切	魚巨切
Baxter	duwng	nen	nyi	ngjoX
Reconstructions
Zhengzhang Shangfang	/duŋ/	/nen/	/ȵɨ/	/ŋɨʌX/
Pan Wuyun	/duŋ/	/nen/	/ȵɨ/	/ŋiɔX/
Shao Rongfen	/duŋ/	/nɛn/	/ȵʑie/	/ŋiɔX/
Edwin Pulleyblank	/dəwŋ/	/nɛn/	/ȵɨ/	/ŋɨə̆X/
Li Rong	/duŋ/	/nen/	/ȵiə/	/ŋiɔX/
Wang Li	/duŋ/	/nien/	/ȵʑĭə/	/ŋĭoX/
Bernard Karlgren	/dʱuŋ/	/nien/	/ȵʑi/	/ŋi̯woX/
Expected Mandarin Reflex	tóng	nián	ér	yǔ
Expected Cantonese Reflex	tung4	nin4	ji4	jyu5

• Old Chinese

  (Baxter–Sagart): /*lˤoŋ  C.nˤi[ŋ]  nə  ŋ(r)aʔ/

  (Zhengzhang): /*doːŋ  niːŋ  njɯ  ŋaʔ/

Baxter–Sagart system 1.1 (2014)
Character	同	年	而	語
Reading #	1/1	1/1	1/1	1/2
Modern Beijing (Pinyin)	tóng	nián	ér	yǔ
Middle Chinese	‹ duwng ›	‹ nen ›	‹ nyi ›	‹ ngjoX ›
Old Chinese	/*lˁoŋ/	/*C.nˁi[ŋ]/	/*nə/	/*ŋ(r)aʔ/
English	together, join	harvest; year	and, but	speak
Notes for Old Chinese notations in the Baxter–Sagart system: * Parentheses "()" indicate uncertain presence; * Square brackets "[]" indicate uncertain identity, e.g. *[t] as coda may in fact be *-t or *-p; * Angle brackets "<>" indicate infix; * Hyphen "-" indicates morpheme boundary; * Period "." indicates syllable boundary.

Zhengzhang system (2003)
Character	同	年	而	語
Reading #	1/1	1/1	1/1	1/2
No.	12446	9482	2720	13159
Phonetic component	同	秊	而	五
Rime group	東	眞	之	魚
Rime subdivision	0	2	0	0
Corresponding MC rime	同		而	語
Old Chinese	/*doːŋ/	/*niːŋ/	/*njɯ/	/*ŋaʔ/
Notes	甲金文象有節筒管與口協合， 如此方能音律諧和， 爲筒（簫）初文	同秊

Idiom

同年而語

1. to mention things on equal terms

Usage notes

Usually used with a negation.

Synonyms

• 同日而語／同日而语 (tóngrì'éryǔ)
• 相提並論／相提并论 (xiāngtíbìnglùn)

Derived terms

• 不可同年而語／不可同年而语 (bùkě tóngnián'éryǔ)