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Walker's Hibernian Magazine[edit]

First of all, thanks for starting Help:Example sentences; I'd gotten somewhat fluxmoxed by the discussion, so I'm glad someone else took the initiative to start the page.

Regarding the actual subject of this message; I noticed you cited "Walker's Hibernian Magazine" from 1792 in Citations:death grip. But you didn't mention the title of the article from the magazine, or exactly which issue, etc. What is your source -- I didn't see a copy easily available via Google, or in the Gutenberg archive... I'm always delighted to hear of new sources, so any information you can provide would be great. JesseW 19:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC), I just found it while scouring google for early "death grip" cites. The cite is on page 302 of the downloadable pdf (on the right 1/3 of the way down) which corresponds to page 287 of the magazine. The title would be "Domestic Intelligence: Dublin, Sept 7, 1792" but I was unable to find an author. I think you need to take everything in it with a pinch of salt ;). Conrad.Irwin 19:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I've added that info to the page; I guess it didn't come up with the search I made because the OCR is, um, rather less than great. Even more important that it be mentioned on the page, then. JesseW 05:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


I was checking through the speedy deletion list, and these three seem to have been left despite being tagged:

Template:wse-sense Template:wse-top Template:wse-w

Is there a reason for this, or am I just missing something? --nwspel tork kontribz 09:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The first two are still used, I'd never looked at the third one's usage before. User:Sack36 is slowly revamping Wikisaurus so they'll be orphaned soon. Conrad.Irwin 10:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


re: utility & I reverted your edit as it was not the right style for Wiktionary and was copied from elsewhere. Yours Conrad.Irwin 15:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

  1. Thanks for the heads-up
  2. All phrases are ultimately copied from somewhere, we all just file off the serial numbers and reissue things, so to speak
  3. Accusing someone of plagerism without proof, is very uncool
  4. Text search with google, before going down THAT road. What happened to good faith?
  5. The page needs to cover that aspect... style fix as you like, but don't ignore the frickin improvement!
  6. I've re-rv'd you... edit as you like, but cover the def. I've linked to it in several contexts in related articles inline and not-inline on en.wikipedia, generally articles pertaining to real estate which the youngsters over there were totally clueless about. As a landlord, "utilities clauses" are almost always part of leases... and so forth.

Be well... but watch the accusations! // FrankB 20:25, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

  • BTW-- did you get fooled by the inline comment in the diff? Then EDIT that out... not LAZILY REVERT... ANY FOOL can do that! Sheesh!

Belated thanks for welcome[edit]

Hi, thank you for the welcome, and particularly for explaining the different use of rollback here, which had puzzled me a bit. I'd like to be a bit more active here, but am finding it difficult to find something to do. Cheers. Stratford490 22:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot on no.wiktionary[edit]

Your bot is now given bot flag on Norwegian Wiktionary. Thanks for your help :) --Eivind (t) 07:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Conrad.Irwin/MetaKeywords.php[edit]

Hi Conrad, please see the last topic on User talk:Conrad.Irwin/MetaKeywords.php. Cheers! Siebrand 12:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Help:Example sentences[edit]

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Help:Example sentences. That looks interesting and fun, and I'll definitely consider helping out in that area. By the way, why does that page belong to a non-existent category? Stratford490 18:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


Hello Conrad.Irwin,
please send your real-name, your wikiname, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to zedler-admins.png. We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB. 01:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Global account[edit]

Hi and thanks for the welcome!

I am wondering if you know if it is possible to have ONE account for all the wikipedias? I have been searching all the forums I could find, but did not find any good info. As I am using and editing sporadically on four wiktionarys it is a drag to have to log in to and remember all the different accounts. Neltah 16:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Alison[edit]

Thanks for the protect :) I appreciate it. It's all part of the joys of being a checkuser on the English Wikipedia that my 'fans' follow me around :/ Sorry about all the trouble here - Alison 08:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Copying from other websites[edit]

Hi, I hope you don't mind if I bring this question to you (since you welcomed me, and have helped me with other questions). I was looking at the page demur, and noticed that it seemed identical to Webster. I immediately thought it must be a copyright violation, but then noticed that the Webster page said it was taken from the 1913 Webster, which I presume is in the public domain.

I have noticed on Wikipedia that sometimes a page says at the bottom (I can't find an example right now) that the material was taken from an old, PD version of Britannica, and I wondered if there is a similar template on Wiktionary, or if it's completely okay to copy and paste an entry from an old, PD dictionary, without acknowledgment.

Thanks for your help. Stratford490 16:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Interwicket broken[edit]

THe MW s/w was changed at 3:00 AM UTC this morning, breaking the allpages generator in the python wikipedia framework. So Interwicket will not run on that any more. I've fixed mine to use the API. If/when they either put the WM s/w back (is a very poor change), and/or fix pybot, it will work again. Robert Ullmann 10:45, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I've got a toolserver account recently, so I was planning to write an alternative generator using the replicated databases anyway, but thanks for the heads up - (I asked the pybot people a fwe weeks back about using the API for everything, but they said it was not going to be implemented in the immediate future for compatibility reasons - shrug...) Conrad.Irwin 18:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Welcome note[edit]

Thank you for your Welcome note. MMXX (Talk) 07:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi there,

thnks for your welcome.

Greatings, SterkeBak 20:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Galician Index[edit]

Conrad, how difficult would it be to generate a combined Index:Galician for all Galician entries? I say "combined" because it would mean first generating a list from the June XML dump, then incorporating in all the entries I've added since then (hundreds in the past two weeks, but fortunately all categorized in one of the Category:Galician language POS subcats).

The only alphabetization oddities:

  • Ñ / ñ is a separate letter following N / n and preceding O / o.
  • Vowels may be accented ( Á á É é Í í Ó ó Ú ú ), and these should sort as if the accent were not present. But if an accented and unaccented form are otherwise identical, the unaccented version should be listed first.
  • The lowercase vowels i and u may have a diaresis ( ï and ü ), and these should sort as if the diaresis were not present.

Whaddya think? It's a bit easier than Spanish or Hungarian because there are no digraphs for purposes of alphabetizing. --EncycloPetey 04:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I've got a list from all the categories, up to date as of fifteen minutes or so, and I'm now wondering how to filter it. I'm assuming you don't want verb_forms in there? Conrad.Irwin 20:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Not the verb forms listed in the Category:Galician verb forms, but it would be good to include the gerunds and participles (which are conveniently in their own subcategories). --EncycloPetey 20:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I've done draft one, if I've done something silly let me know and I'll fix it. Conrad.Irwin 20:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll look at it in more detail later, but what jumps out at me is that a is indexed under "P", is listed there twice, and has the wrong part(s) of speech both times. The word a is an article and preposition, not a pronoun. Some other words whose POS is Article have similar listing problems, though they seem to end up in the correct location. Also, the words á and é aren't on the list at all. Did you look for words that begin with an accented vowel? --EncycloPetey 21:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
No problems spotted in the new version. Thanks. --EncycloPetey 00:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Gotta request for ya[edit]

For the little section you see under your editing window with the special characters menu (wish I knew what that was called), could you add a section in Armenian after the alphabet for transileration with these characters?

ē ë ž ç ġ č š ǰ ṙ ò ’

Or if I can do it myself, so I don't have to bother you for this kind of thing in the future, that'd be pretty rockin', too. :) — [ ric ] opiaterein — 18:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. --EncycloPetey 19:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Help needed for the Russian Wikt[edit]

Hi! We in the ru: would be grateful if you could help us adapt you parser.js (actually, only part of it) for our needs. We have tried to solve the problem of inter-lingual separation of homonyms (by physically separating language subdivisions into sub-pages), but your solution is definitely better. The adaptation should include changing the level of language markers (en: uses 2nd level headers, ru: - 1st level headers that are hidden inside templates like {{-en-}}, {{-ru-}} etc.) - and - perhaps - making the language tabs more tab-like (see ru:Участник:Al Silonov/yucca). Thanks! --Al Silonov 20:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure, it's probably easiest if we talk about this on IRC, I'm often in irc:// as cirwin. I haven't looked at it for some time, but I think the generic parser should be extractable, and then we can work out how to identify which bits we want to actually use. Conrad.Irwin 20:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... I've never used IRC...--Al Silonov 20:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Well If you want to ask specific things about parser.js here you can, but it might be quite slow :). if you're game to give IRC a go visit if you don't want to install stuff, and look for freenode server and #wiktionary channel. Conrad.Irwin 20:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Loudspeaker icon from Commons[edit]

Hi Conrad, would there be any way to incorporate the Loudspeaker.svg icon from Commons into {audio-list} to replace the current one? --Panda10 21:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --Panda10 21:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem, I considered does that at first but thought it a bit too large for the list. However, your wish is my command. :p Conrad.Irwin 22:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
And you were right. I think we will have to go back to the original. The original icon is red if the audio file does not exist in Commons. The speaker icon remains black, so it is not immediately obvious that there is no audio. Also, as you already indicated, the speaker icon is very overpowering when words are collected in a pronunciation list. Thanks, and sorry for taking your time. --Panda10 22:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK Chapter[edit]

A plan is in the works to found a new UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, and we are currently gathering support from the community. If you are interesting in being part of this new UK chapter as a member, a board member or as someone with a general interest in the chapter, please head over to m:Wikimedia UK v2.0 and let us know. We welcome help in making finishing touches to the plans. An election will be held shortly for the initial board, who will oversee the process of founding the company and accepting membership applications. They will then call an AGM to formally elect a new board, which will take the chapter forward, starting to raise funds and generally supporting the Wikimedia community in the UK. Thanks for your time. AndrewRT 22:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


Responding to requests made through Wikipedia sets a bad precedent for us. We are already having to tell people over and over that the two projects are separate. The block, I do not think, was too hasty. The user began another series of reversions instead of asking questions of people to learn why the eidts to "his" pages were made. The block was for 15 minutes to give the user time to read formatting policy and prepare questions. --EncycloPetey 21:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Citations:wheel war‎[edit]

In case you were wondering. . . IKJEFT01 is an IBM mainframe program that controls an online system called TSO. People can also execute it in batch mode to test online programs, but often can't spell it properly. SemperBlotto 14:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC) (ex IBM mainframe programmer)

Yes, I was. Thanks for the information. Conrad.Irwin 14:49, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi there. If we ever get a new dump, you might consider regenerating this subpage. I would then start to delete the oldest ones, up to about six months old. SemperBlotto 21:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

{{only in}}[edit]

Request for comments: category talk:Wiktionary pages that don't exist.—msh210 21:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I don't understand your parenthetical comment (there). Would you mind explaining it for me (here or there), please?—msh210 21:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks.—msh210 21:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Robert Ullmann#Where are we again.3F[edit]

Long time no........type? Anyway, there is a question on this thread that I figured you could answer. It would be very much appreciated. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 07:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

You edit of "co-recursive," while more concise, seems incorrect[edit]

You replaced my entire new definition of "co-recursive" with your own, on the grounds that mine seemed more like a Wikipedia article to you. By which I suppose you meant that my the example I provided along with my fairly concise definition was too extensive for Wiktionary...? I was not aware that a Wiktionary entry could not include an extended example.

While your own entry is more concise (i.e., no clarifying example that might actually explain the concept), it seems technically incorrect. You define the term thus:

"Two functions that call each other recursively."

First of all, two functions that call one another may invoke one another co-recursively, but they are not themselves the definition of co-recursive. That is like saying that a dog is the definition of mangy.

Secondly, the term recursive specifically pertains to a function that invokes itself, not two functions that exhibit a circular chain of invocations.

I would suggest that you consider re-instating my original definition, which is:

"(computing) Pertaining to two or more functions that invoke one another in a manner that leads back to the first function called. Because such invocations result in a circular chain, at least one function in the chain must contain termination conditions that, once encountered, end the cycle of invocation, and there must be some guarantee of these conditions eventually being encountered, if an infinite regress (continuing chain of invocations) is to be avoided."

One should not strip something of its substance and correctness in the name of concision.

As I do not wish to get into a non-terminating co-recursion with you, Conrad, I'm leaving this note for you in the hope that you will correct your own entry.

From some of the other comments on your page I get the impression that you make a lot of changes to other people's articles. That is a large responsibility.

Hungarian index - old, new[edit]

It seems that there are two indices, the old (e.g. Wiktionary:Hungarian index s) - and the new (e.g. Index:Hungarian/s). Should the old one be deleted? --Panda10 12:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I deleted the old index and noticed that the new index does not handle words starting with a number, for example 21. század. The word is included in Index:Hungarian/2 but shows up only in the what links here page, nowhere else. When your time permits, would you take a look at it? Should we include numbers in the TOC? --Panda10 16:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I thought that it would group all the numbers (and punctuation) into Index:Hungarian/0 and link to there; as I can't imagine there being enough for an index for each number/bit of punctuation. I'll re-check the code, and when Ullmann's dump is uptodate (a day or two) renew the index. Conrad.Irwin 17:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

re IRC[edit]

Tried to start mibbit again and it creashed the network box as before. Dunno.

I wrote the XML updater about as discussed. Without various possible optimizations, to be considered. Seems to work okay, produce the correct format, etc. Would have to run it somewhere where it will go faster, and others can download the results. Robert Ullmann 15:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool, if you were to email it to my gmail (wiktionary username) then I could ask Amgine about running it on devtionary. Conrad.Irwin 18:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Co-recursive[edit]

Thank you for your response to my inquiry regarding your changes to the definition of "co-recursive." Also for your even tone, which I will attempt to emulate in future communications.

I agree with you that the part of my definition following the first sentence goes beyond the standard definition format. As someone new to to the environment, I should have made a greater effort to familiarize myself with its standards prior to posting.

Your mathematically-oriented definition might make a good second meaning for the word, but I think that my first sentence describes the computational meaning, viz."

"(computing) Pertaining to two or more functions that invoke one another in a manner that leads back to the first function called."

I, too did a search and there is a surprising paucity of definitions available for co-recursion online. I don't particularly like the wikipedia entry; it is much too formal for my taste. "corecursion is a type of operation that is dual to recursion." Come on. I'm a programmer, so I take a more practical view. This entry emphasizes the mathematical aspect of programming.

Kernighan and Ritchie ("The C Programming Language") implies that co-recursion is a special case of recursion, in which a function invokes itself indirectly (i.e., through invoking other functions which then cause it to be invoked) rather than directly. They don't give a formal definition, but they say that "C functions may be used recursively; that is, a function may call itself either directly or indirectly." Programmers use recursion and co-recursion constantly, so it is surprising that it would be so hard to find a good definition for the latter term.

Well, it is in your hands, unless you want me to make an additional attempt after reading ELE, etc. Diversitti 10:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Pywikipediabot questions and Hiligaynon[edit]

Hey there Conrad. I have a few questions/suggestions regarding the pywikipedia bot script that I am leaving here for you, seeing as this is an effective method of communication.

Question number one is me wondering if there is some possible way that we could remove the ---- from the entry documents, or at least from what comes up in the editing screen in the text editor, making the separator into {{subst:blank | =entryhere= }}, as that would cut a significant portion of time from the submission of several thousand entries. As it stands, it becomes necessary on all new entries to remove the ---- before clicking on OK.

Question number two is along the same lines. When running the script, each newpage window moves down on my screen a bit until they are eventually off of my screen.

And is there some way that we could set a keycombo in order to press OKAY or CANCEL? This would also save a lot of strain that comes from moving my hand back and forth between the keyboard and the trackpad. Such as OKAY being CTRL-Y and CANCEL being CTRL-C, as the CTRL key is not used to do actual commands as far as I've seen but is useful for custom stuff.

Again, thank you. Without your help this would have been something that never got off the ground. --Neskaya kanetsv 00:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright, a few more questions that I thought of as I was running through the test for User:Neskbot tonight. Would it be possible to run it so that all new pages are created, and all edits which would require editing an existing page do not get made? During that run, would it be possible for the bot to additionally delete the data it used from the original file? The ideal here would be that at the end of such a proposed run, the end file would contain only the entries which would require editing an already existing page. Ideally, those entries would then be uploaded with a separate script. Let me know if I'm asking too much here, though.

I'll hopefully see you on IRC on Sun. so that this can be figured out. Thanks muchly. --Neskaya kanetsv 05:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

re: well-known work[edit]

Sigh. DCDuring TALK 21:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


Hey Conrad,

I think there's something buggy with the locative section you added to this template. I've hidden an inflection chart in rus, and revealing it causes all sorts of problems in the locative. I tried to fix the problem but, not being apt at this sort of thing, I couldn't. Do you think you might know what's wrong? --334a 14:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Now fixed, it was caused by trying to close the table |} on the same line as the template ended instead of at the beginning of it's own line, which is what it should be. Conrad.Irwin 21:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

j't'ai cassé[edit]

I haven't heard of it (literally "I've broken you") but I'll look into it when I'm back from my holidays and not using an unfamiliar browser and wacky foreign keyboard! Equinox 16:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

You should find it a bit more coherent now! Equinox 17:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


Have I ever told you how much I absolutely love this template? Well, I thought you should know. It's dead sexy. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


I think maybe it can be spelled like cheese slaw. Maybe that's better. --Borganised 08:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you undo-delete that page? --Borganised 08:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


This template needs to be floated, if that's the right term. See how badly it gets along with a right ToC at WT:RFV. DCDuring TALK 12:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Should be better now. Conrad.Irwin 13:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the "prefs" link - I'll be experimenting with some of the functions. --Jackofclubs 13:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Hungarian index update[edit]

Hi Conrad, when your time allows, would you mind updating the Hungarian index? Thanks. --Panda10 13:10, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Uploading now. Conrad.Irwin 13:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. I've noticed something: Wikipédia disappeared from the W list. It was there before. --Panda10 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Hrm, I'll try and figure out why... It is in the "included" list, but not in the "Hungarian" list. Conrad.Irwin 13:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
(cough) I'm an idiot, I changed a directory name in one part of the code, and didn't update the other part of the code. Should be gooder now. Conrad.Irwin 00:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! --Panda10 00:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
  • And a ditto request for Italian. No hurry, as we are always adding more Italian words. Cheers. SemperBlotto 14:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Consider it done. Conrad.Irwin 00:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

zomg , ZOMG[edit]

I think these pages need to be semi-protected or something because it seems that they are being vandalised a lot lately.--50 Xylophone Players talk 19:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing them, I've protected ZOMG, but zomg doesn't seem to suffer so much yet. By the way, would you be interested in becoming a Sysop so you can protect/rollback yourself? Conrad.Irwin 19:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Now that I think about it yes, I would be interested in becoming a sysop.--50 Xylophone Players talk 20:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

A little question[edit]

Sorry, if you can't help me but I was wondering since I'm in Ireland is my timezone UTC-1 since the clocks went back 2 days ago?--50 Xylophone Players talk 21:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you're on GMT with us, which at the moment is exactly UTC. Conrad.Irwin 21:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
So what should I put for my timezone?--50 Xylophone Players talk 21:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
See [[Wiktionary:Administrators]]. Most of us just put both; for example, my timezone switches between EST = UTC-5 (winter) and EDT = UTC-4 (summer), so I put UTC-5/-4. If Conrad is correct (and Google suggests that he is), your timezone switches between GMT = UTC (winter) and IST = UTC+1 (summer), so you might put UTC/+1 like several of the British admins do. (But it's really not a big deal: the point of that is so people can find an admin who's likely to be awake and online, and obviously time-zone alone isn't a very precise gauge of that.) —RuakhTALK 16:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary talk:Project-Noarticletext#Search Box[edit]

Hi Conrad,

Since you added the search-box to [[Wiktionary:Project-Noarticletext]], I thought you might be interested in the comments at [[Wiktionary talk:Project-Noarticletext#Search Box]].

RuakhTALK 14:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


Hello. I noticed there are links to other WMF wikis on the login page (namely MediaWiki:Loginprompt). Could you please add a link to the Wikimedia Incubator? Thanks, SPQRobin 00:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Done, not sure how many people will have incubator accounts as their primary when they wish to merge. But no harm done I suppose (as long as I don't then have to add each project in each language too :s). Conrad.Irwin 18:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for the note. I think I'll just revert my additions and come back to it later. Joeldl 12:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


I had the same initial reaction as you, but this one gets more than 11,000 Google hits. It's a real phenomenon (being intimidated too much by a beautiful woman to even speak to her), and seems to be a real word (for once). --EncycloPetey 20:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't find many cites that were not mentions [1]. Conrad.Irwin 20:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


Hey, I tried putting this in my monobook.js but I'm not seeing anything- am I doing something wrong? Nadando 04:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The necessary meta-data is not in {{en-noun}} yet. If you want to see it do anything, edit a page and replace {{en-noun}} with {{en-noun/test}}. The link will then go green. Clicking on the link requires Autoedit which is included with Popups. Seeing as the BP seems favourable, I'll make some changes now and see how things go. Conrad.Irwin 18:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I've changed en-noun to add the metadata, so - if you use Firefox 3 or Opera > 9.5 it will work. I had forgotten that .getElementsByClassName is not really supported by other browsers. Conrad.Irwin 18:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

creation.js (2)[edit]

I like the idea of something that makes filling in inflections easier and faster. I've been trying to fiogure out how to write a program to scrape the screen to find red links and off me the option to do this but couldn't figure out how. Sorry, I didn't really figure out the technical details you are proposing yet. Thank you. RJFJR 14:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It would be possible, but it would require lots of custom parsing of entries, which is a pain. My idea is to wrap important links in <span class="form-of plural-form-of lang-en"> so that the parsing is much easier. Finding redlinks can be done, I'm sure someone has a /wanted pages list somewhere. Conrad.Irwin 18:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


Which is the thread that discussed what you're doing here? I'd like to follow the progression of this, and possibly edit Romance language templates accordingly once I understand what's happening. --EncycloPetey 19:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

WT:BP#User:Conrad.Irwin.2Fcreation.js_.22Form_of_entries_at_the_touch_of_a_button.22. Conrad.Irwin 19:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm testing out your acceleration feature. (I was waiting for the check box because I'm nervous about messing up my monobook.) It's working very well. I've been carefully reviewing additions before submitting them. (As soon as I wanted to test it I had trouble finding words that needed plurals added, wouldn't you know. And the first one I found needed a 3rd-sing-verb added too). The only thing I find is that it marks the addition as minor and I'm not sure that the addition of a word is minor (it results in the odd feature of being tagged Nm in my contributions and I haven't seen that before). On the one hand I see your point that an accelerated inflection is minor, but on the other hand it should still be checked because ther are pages with red links (now green links) that not only need to be checked but need to be fixed.

I'm appreciating the new accelerated feature. Thank you. RJFJR 01:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

If you have a trigger-happy finger, User:Conrad.Irwin/good plurals is a "to-do" list. I decided to leave it as "minor" because, if the forms are being created alongside the entry, then only the entry needs checking in detail - but I do see your point. Thank you for giving it a go. Conrad.Irwin 01:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I tried it too, worked really great. Are the spaces intentional: == English == and === Noun ===? --Panda10 02:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Not so much intentional, as that's just how I always write them (it makes things easier to read, for me), but I will remove them as I think they are non-standard. Conrad.Irwin 02:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Can this concept be used for FL entries like Hungarian? :) --Panda10 02:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
It is designed for less highly-inflected languages, but yes, it can be. It seems to be a bit buggy with non-en, but I'll try and fix it in the next few minutes. Conrad.Irwin 02:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I tried the verb acceleration: very nice! Determining that a word is both a plural and a 3rd sing is beyond what I expect of the program. Especially since it supported my easily adding a 3rd sing verb section after it prepopulated a plural for me. RJFJR 02:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Re: my "amazing stuff" I'm doing - I think it is you rather who did the amazing stuff by creating the acceleration. Thanks for noticing the errors ,however. --Jackofclubs 14:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

This works like magic for Hungarian nouns. Another good candidate would be hu-adj, but not urgent at all. Thank you!! --Panda10 14:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Tested hu-adj. The "superlative of" creates an incorrect category (hu instead of Hungarian). Please see legelnézőbb. The other two are correct. Thank you. --Panda10 15:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Fixed already :). Was a bug in {{superlative of}}. Conrad.Irwin 15:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding adjective. I was going to ask for it when you got a chance. RJFJR 15:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

creation.js (3)[edit]

It seems like a good idea. However, when I go to WT:PREFS and tick "Use the preferences set on this page" and "Make red-links to some form-ofs fill out entries automatically", and then click "Save settings", it doesn't seem to stick. Next time I log in, all boxes are cleared again (and I don't see green links on your plurals page either). Using Opera 9. Am I doing something wrong? Equinox 15:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, WT:PREFS relies on browser cookies, so if you've got them to auto-clear then it won't work. You can try adding the two lines of code at User_talk:Conrad.Irwin/creation.js to Special:MyPage/monobook.js instead. (Though I appreciate that doesn't help with getting WT:PREFS to work, it does for me under Opera 9.51) Conrad.Irwin 15:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
A small bug: I just used creation.js to create the plural for &lit (yes, rather a strange sort of word), and it produced an erroneous headword of '''%26lits'''. Equinox 22:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware of this - it's a bug in the editing library it's using mw:Extension:Autoedit. I should really create a local copy and fix it - but haven't yet got round to it. Only &s are affected. Conrad.Irwin 00:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
This is now worked around. Conrad.Irwin 15:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Another small bug: when creating the green plural of a proper noun, the resulting page skeleton should probably be that of a proper noun and not a regular noun. Equinox 22:42, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


About this edit, even if they aren't used as such, it beefs up my edit count.--MrIPAddress 17:42, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Could you give me a copy of the template I created?--MrIPAddress 16:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much.--MrIPAddress 17:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:adminship vote[edit]

I'm just wondering how come a decision on my adminship hasn't been reached yet (The vote ended on 12 November and today is the 15th). Are the admins all really that busy?--50 Xylophone Players talk 14:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Not that busy, just quite apathetic. Nay fear, someone'll sort you out (eventually :p). Conrad.Irwin 14:39, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I guess I'll just have to keep waiting then.--50 Xylophone Players talk 14:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The vote is closed now but does someone still have to "make" me an admin?--50 Xylophone Players talk 16:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup, one of the Special:ListUsers/bureaucrats should. Conrad.Irwin 16:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)