User talk:Surjection/archive/2020-1

Suggestion: add Finnish possessive forms to "Finnish (proper) noun forms" categories as well

At the moment, the word isäsi is in the category "Finnish noun possessive forms" and not in the category "Finnish noun forms" while the exact reverse is true for isääsi. (Similarly for the proper nouns Emmamme and Emmallamme). Also, apinanipa belongs to the category "Finnish noun forms" while apinani, if it had an entry, would (according to the current categorization logic) not belong there but to "Finnish noun possessive forms" instead. To me this feels a bit odd, as possessive forms are inflected forms also. My suggestion would be to make the templates that add to Finnish (proper) noun possessive forms also add those entries to Finnish (proper) noun forms, thus "possessive forms" would mean possessive nominatives that are possible to inflect into all cases by just changing what comes before the possessive suffix. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 15:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

The template responsible for that is right now is the {{head}} template, so the only way to change the categorization is to either go over all entries or add entries with "noun possessive forms" into also being in "noun forms" (the former is already a subcategory of the latter); the latter option involves changing it for all languages, which means it'll probably need to be discussed at the Beer Parlour. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 17:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

OK, well I guess the best solution is to just let things be as they are now. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

A translation summary is far more useful. Please review and add to the pescar page et al

A translation summary is far more useful. Please review and add to the pescar page et al

Added to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pescar (8) Translation Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 2:33 PM

Translation English-Spanish translation

[Fish (verb), Fishing, Fish (noun) ] <==>

pescar

pescando

pez

pesca

pescado pescador pésce, peje Spanish-English translation

[Pescar (verbo), Pescando, Pez (sustantivo) ] <==>

fish fishing

fish fishes

fished

fisherman fishy, fisher

K2quill (talk) 19:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC) k2quill

We don't provide tables like that. The headword is the only form to get a translation, while inflected forms do not. Besides, the table had no proper formatting whatsoever, which made it look like a mess. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 22:50, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Block

Can you explain the reason of "edit warring"? Edit warring can only happen when I revert to previous edits. This was clearly not the case. Explanation please. --Meatbowl (talk) 11:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I didn't block you; besides, you were reverting to previous edits. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 11:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

My mistake, must have been that Metaunknownledge guy. Back to topic... show me the "previous edits" of my edit from 11th January and I will give you the prize of the year. And why did you deleted sourced and relevant content? --Meatbowl (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Sourced nonsense is still nonsense. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 08:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

"Medicine" comes from Arabic!

May I know why Your Majesty undid what I added to the article about the word Medicine? SilkySword (talk) 21:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

A theory about an Arabic origin is cut down by the Occam's razor when compared to the current etymology on the page, where a Latin > (Old/Middle) French > English etymology makes a lot more sense. Do you have any sources that corroborate the Arabic origin? — surjection ⟨?⟩ 21:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

• There's also the dating problem. The underlying Latin term medicus is citable to a text from Martial, whose lifetime was roughly 40 CE to 103 CE. Avicenna isn't even born until 980. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 01:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Finnish 3rd person possessive

Isn't there also a version of the possessive that looks like the illative singular? —Rua (mew) 16:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

It looks similar, yes, but that version cannot be used with the form that corresponds to nominative singular/plural and genitive singular, but it can be used with (most) other cases. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 16:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Are you planning to add it to the inflection tables as well? —Rua (mew) 16:07, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Those forms are already listed there if you view an inflection table for a possessive form. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 16:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

read

Actually, it's been like this for a while. I just wanted to use the template instead of trying to simulate its behavior. (Rkishchenko (talk) 13:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC))

Yes, but you set the past forms to be "page"... — surjection ⟨?⟩ 13:06, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, I must have clicked submit in the tab I had been experiencing in and thus made wrong changes. The idea was to use [[:en:#Etymology_2|read]], which is kind of a trick, but it works. Will that be fine? — This unsigned comment was added by Rkishchenko (talk • contribs).

If it shows the correct form, sure. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 14:02, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I've made the changes. Sorry for the such a stupid mistake. Rkishchenko (talk) 14:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Ok go ahead Dowdy89 (talk) 05:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I’m new to this man Dowdy89 (talk) 05:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

My sentence for jingoist

Why was it reverted? (64.20.139.44 18:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)64.20.139.44)

We'd rather not have politically charged usage examples (those that mention real-life issues), even on entries that tend to be politically charged. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 18:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

fi-hyphenation

Could you give some consideration to the hyphenation of diphthongs that occur later in the word than in the first syllable? I refer to an article in Kielikello about hyphenizing Finnish (https://www.kielikello.fi/-/tavun-rajat). An excerpt:

Diftongi vai muu vokaaliyhtymä kauempana sanassa? Varsinainen tavutuksen ongelmakohta on pitkään ollut sanassa kauempana kuin ensitavussa esiintyvien peräkkäisten vokaalien tavutus. Vanhastaan on kauempana sanassa ajateltu olevan vain i-loppuisia diftongeja: a-vain, y-lei-nen, aa-mui-sin, kään-tyi, ta-loi-hin, jää-te-löi-tä. Siksi esimerkiksi ie on ensitavussa diftongi mutta kauempana sanassa vokaaliyhtymä (pie-ni-en, kul-ki-es-sa; myös lainasanoissa ka-ri-es, las-si-e jne.). Näiden tavutusta vokaalien välistä ei ole yleensä edes kyseenalaistettu.

Then (in the article) follows some discussion about the topic, but my understanding is that "ie" should still be divided in two syllables when occurring later in the word. Currently the template {{fi-hyphenation}} fails to recognize the diphthong "ie" (and possibly others) later in the word whereas it recognizes "io" correctly. For example, it hyphenates ter-rie-ri and las-sie but val-ti-o. --Hekaheka (talk) 10:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Also "iu": kal-sium vs. kal-si-um. Diphthongs "ia", "iä" and "iö" are hyphenated correctly but "iy" goes like pe-riy-ty-ä. --Hekaheka (talk) 10:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

ia, iä, io and iö are not diphthongs (except in dialects) even in the initial syllable, to my knowledge. The issue is that if the hyphenation would then be stress-dependent (I guess the gist is that only initial syllables, in any word, including within in a compound, can have diphthongs ending in other than i), using it on its own should probably be deprecated or at the very least discouraged instead of using {{fi-pronunciation}} directly (that is what I think would be the end goal, anyway).

Using the latter template, it's certainly possible to somehow carry the information about the compound to the hyphenation module for it to further decide whether to consider diphthongs or not. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 13:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I improved the code now when used with {{fi-pronunciation}} - {{fi-hyphenation}} will still use the old system. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 14:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, my text must have been confusing - I realize that I have used the term "diphthong" both of diftongi and vokaaliyhtymä. Btw, do you know if there's an English term for the latter? --Hekaheka (talk) 18:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

vokaaliyhtymä (“vowel sequence”). If it's a redlink by the moment I post this, it won't be soon. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 18:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Finnish pudistaa päätään

Hello,

perhaps you could take a look at pudistaa päätään as to whether it may be a sum of parts. HeliosX (talk) 01:04, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Arguably yes, although pudistaa is not necessarily shaking in the manner that one usually shakes one's head to indicate "no", so it's probably more comparable to the English entry in that way. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 08:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

tsempata is missing gradation

tsempata is missing gradation. (I don't know how to fix that and you seem to have been the last person to edit it.) Yuhani (talk) 03:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Fixed; the gradation patterns should be supplied as parameters to the conjugation/declension templates. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 09:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Hyllested gospel?

If I take Hyllested as "gospel", why in the name of common sense did you deleted Stachowski and Blažek? Can you give a reasonable explanation to this question? --Meatbowl (talk) 02:30, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

My 2nd question: Why do you take Jokl, Norbert (1911 !!!!) as a gospel? In his 1921 publication he reverted his opinion though.

My 3rd question: Why do you take Dybo, Anna as a gospel? (same level as Starostin btw, they are Altaicist colleges from Russia)

Perhaps the answer is already written here? --Meatbowl (talk) 02:35, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

And allow me to quote you: "Sourced nonsense is still nonsense." Well this kind of behavior is totally forbidden here actually. So, choose your words wisely before you answer. --Meatbowl (talk) 02:38, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

And just by the way, gospel Hyllested is crowned at Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/h₂élbʰit. You are in a dilemma now. My condolences. --Meatbowl (talk) 03:01, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't know why you're still pursuing this by contacting individual people rather than bringing it up at WT:ES. You've already been in trouble before when it comes to etymologies, so I would advise you watch your step. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 09:45, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

So, you wasn't the one who reverted my edit? Revision history must be a liar then. My apologies for that. I thought, it's based on common sense here; my fault. We already had a scriptorium without visibly constructive fruiting. I am still wondering why you didn't explain me the removal of Stachowski and Blažek. Instead of working together why choosing the way of blocking and aggressive defamatory? --Meatbowl (talk) 14:47, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

The fact that you're acting all sassy and condescending when things don't go your way is the exact reason you've gotten in trouble before, yet you still keep on going like that. Unfortunately, that leaves me with no other option. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 15:45, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Sassy and condescending? Seriously? I quote you: "Sourced nonsense is still nonsense." ... or "you don't have much say in having a "POV" considering you're taking everything Starostin and Hyllested says as gospel". Sounds sassy and condescending enough? Your Steward_requests is a sign of weakness. The weakness that you can't handle academic standards. So your option is the way of weakness, because you deny the academic and linguistic truth. There was no before, I am quite new here. But I know the sort of people you are belonging to. It's a system of cowardess, undue arrogance, hypocrisy and defamation. Neither capable of criticism, nor open to discussion. Your behavior has proven it par excellence. That's called weakness. Instead of making wiktionary a place of consensus, you are acting like you are on a warship. That's insane. One can clearly see you are biased, because you are in favour of weak sources with the remark of "(?)", which means unsure etymology. Don't tell me I didn't warn you to change these bad habits. These affairs are not the hallmark of all responses. --Meatbowl (talk) 17:17, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

For the record and for any future readers, the above user is another instance of w:WP:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34, an user infamous for "persistent spreading of fringe theories about Central Asian history, Indo-European culture, Turkic peoples and related subjects, which is done through tendentious misrepresentation of sources, personal attacks, edit warring and sockpuppetry." They've been globally locked countless of times before, and this account will probably be no different. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 18:40, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

ammuttu

This looks like a mistake. DTLHS (talk) 04:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

It is indeed. The assumption for formatting the participles was that there would only be a single definition line for the participle (as there should be one verb of origin, and other verb forms should be under their own verb form header). — surjection ⟨?⟩ 10:05, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

"Bgjer" in upper reka dialect

I have added a word for the albanian word "gjelbër" which means green. In north Macedonia albanians who are from Upper Reka region say "Bgjer" for the word green. It cannot be explained by the Latin loan word "Galbinus".

The Upper Reka albanians were one of the most isolated albanian community. they have preserved a lot of archaism which have disappeared in albanian standard language.

The entry itself is not the place to discuss its etymology. Use WT:ES to discuss it, rather than adding comments like "yeah but this doesn't explain this form" onto the entry itself. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 10:05, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

found object

As concerns the concept of holonyms as it applies to this subject, "found object art" would be a holonym of "found object". But "found art" is not known to be a holonym of anything. A misused term, which is all that "found art" is, can hardly be said to have an established meaning. Etsy for instance has a "found object art" web page selling works of art supposedly embodying this principle. Bus stop (talk) 13:41, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

This is already being discussed on two user talk pages: User talk:Equinox#found object/found art and User talk:DTLHS#found object/found art. What are you trying to achieve by splitting the conversation and edit warring? — surjection ⟨?⟩ 13:44, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Here you are reinstating found art as a holonym of found object. Why would found art be a holonym of found object? Bus stop (talk) 13:56, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question. I simply reverted the page back to match the consensus and protected it to stop the edit warring. You've argued with four people over this now and failed to convince anyone. Either try one more time over at the Tea Room, or drop it and move on. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 13:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I've weighed in there. Bus stop (talk) 14:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of reconstructed pronunciations of Proto-Indo-European words discussion at Beer Parlor

Per your suggestion, I have started a discussion at the Beer parlor on whether reconstructed pronunciations of Proto-Indo-European words should be listed, so long as they are under a heading "Reconstructed pronunciation" and so long as they are referenced by authoritative experts. Maybe you would like voice your opinion on the matter. BirdValiant (talk) 05:05, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

parapharmaceutical: difference between revisions - dietary supplements

Parapharmaceuticals are dietary supplements. They are typically come in the medicine-like bottles of vitamins and minerals you see lining pharmacy shelves. Popular supplements include vitamins, amino acids, fat acids, herbal extracts and etc. "Parapharmaceuticals" is actually synonymous with dietary supplements now.

AYUSBIOTECH(talk) 19 February 2020

"Dietary supplement" is not an adjective. Besides, considering the existing noun meaning, you should consider adding durably archived quotes (books, etc.) to prove that the meaning passes WT:CFI#Attestation. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 12:03, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

koira vs. kulkija

Törmäsin sanaan "kuluttajansuoja", jonka taivutusluokaksi oli merkitty "kulkija", vaikka sen pitäisi olla "koira". Rupesin katsomaan, olisiko muita, ja kulkija-kategorian [1] ensimmäiseltä sivulta löytyvät 4H-neuvoja, aapasara, alalinja, alfasalpaaja, alkuperäistila, alkutila ja ammattikirja, joissa on sama virhe. Kaikkia en tarkistanut, mutta vaikuttaa siltä, että ainakin enin osa olisi sinun luomiasi keväällä 2019. Näyttäisi siltä, että on sattunut systemaattinen virhe, ja niitä on luultavasti lisää seuraavilla sivuilla. Virheitähän sattuu kaikille varsinkin, jos tekee paljon, mutta korjannet. --Hekaheka (talk) 07:31, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Juu, olen käyttänyt jo pidemmän aikaa sana-artikkeleiden luontiin skriptiä, joka pyrkii automaattisesti täyttämään taivutusluokan. Suurimman osan ajasta se on oikeassa, mutta toisaalta taas se on toisinaan väärässäkin. Pyrin yleensä tarkistamaan itse, onko taivutusluokka lopuksi oikein, mutta niitä virheitä pääsee silti toisinaan läpi. Aion luultavasti jossain vaiheessa katsoa tuon koko kulkija-luokan sanojen luettelon läpi ja ottaa sieltä pois ne sanat, jotka eivät sinne kuulu. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 08:41, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hyvä. Tarkemmin katsoen edellisistä useimmat ovatkin kala-tyyppiä. Vain 4H-neuvoja ja alfasalpaaja ovat koiria. --Hekaheka (talk) 09:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Latin/posso

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Reconstruction:Latin/posso&diff=58786934&oldid=58786678. How do I know where to put the English? Does it matter?

Also, could you please fix etymology 3 of "makthi"? — This unsigned comment was added by Victionarier (talk • contribs).

I assumed Middle English based on the etymology at power. More important is the use of |bor=1 to signify that it is a borrowing. As for the other point, I don't know what there is to fix. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 11:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Hello. I was referred to you. I was attempting to create a Proto Germanic Page. This message is left because of the ",rollbacks." What are rollbacks?

Personisgaming (talk) 22:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I removed the addition of that page, since it wouldn't be Proto-Germanic, perhaps Proto-West Germanic. In addition to that, the formatting on the page was really wrong - check the other existing PG/PWG entries, if you're not sure how formatting works. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 23:08, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

regarding https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=doskonali&diff=59015235&oldid=59014607

I was just requesting for etymology, not sure if it was formatted correctly but do correct my edit for someone knowledgeable to include the origin of the term in Polish. Regards, --109.121.36.28 15:18, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

It makes little sense to add etymology requests to nonlemma (such as inflected) forms. The etymology in them is mostly straightforward and regular ({{nonlemma}}). — surjection ⟨?⟩ 15:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

occult

Bernspeed (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC) I know hell is in fact a cognate with occult. Other words have such cognate pages. You are being too religious. Any objections?

No matter how many times you insist, an etymology section is not a place for "hey, look, this word is related" trivia. — surjection ⟨?⟩ 17:46, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Bernspeed (talk) 23:27, 29 March 2020 (UTC) OK. That makes sense. I'll find more constructive ways to edit.

Redlinks

I will stop getting rid of them/commenting the redlinks now. Thanks for the notification. Bernspeed (talk) 12:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

ا

Why would the letter alif (ا) come from Sanskrit? Taimoorahmed11 (talk) 14:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't, but the prefix meaning probably does, as would the corresponding Hindi term. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 15:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Taimoorahmed11 Did you read my response? — surjection ⟨??⟩ 08:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi sorry, no I missed your comment, I wouldn't reversed it again had I seen it.

Taimoor Taimoorahmed11 (talk) 17:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

roastie

I was not aware that "incel slang" was a dictionary term. Nor do I see any basis nor any way to substantiate the claim that any word in all of existence is exclusively used by involuntarily incelibate men, nor the sub-culture known as "incels." Has this incel movement claimed the word "roastie" as one of their own creation and exclusive use? In all likelihood this is a "come-back" definition embedded with an insult crafted by those who are insulted by the word.

One would hope that on Wiktionary we would err toward the objective. --2600:1700:7E30:7BD0:F8A4:CB5E:DA6B:B022 19:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

It's also used on other entries, and furthermore, all of the quotes are in that context. If you disagree with the label entirely, start a discussion at WT:BEER. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 20:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

The only "dictionaries" which have published the definition of this word are dictionary.com, which does reference incels but does not claim the term is exclusively used by them nor mentions any notion of "incel slang." I'm curious what other words fall under the "incel slang" umbrella and I was not aware that this is an established categorization here in Wiktionary. Other than dictionary.com, there's the more "democratic" Urban Dictionary, which makes no reference to incels or this supposed incel community in its entry.--2600:1700:7E30:7BD0:F8A4:CB5E:DA6B:B022 21:57, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

The search is your friend, but again, if you disagree with the label, I already told what the best course of action would be. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 22:18, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

tms.

Hey. Any idea what part of speech tms. is? Phrase? Adverb? Pronoun? --Vitoscots (talk) 01:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Phrase is the safest bet. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 09:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

tiger

Hey. Please tell me that pussihukka is pronounced like I think it is. --Vitoscots (talk) 19:34, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I added some sweet IPA deets on that entry. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 22:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Coolio, bro. All Finnish words are stressed on the first syllable, right? --Vitoscots (talk) 17:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, unless with some words you really want to get a message through (päinvastoin for "no, I really mean it, on the contrary"). Also note that vowel and consonant length is practically independent of stress! — surjection ⟨??⟩ 17:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Heid

You made a mess of the article heid, which is not a Dutch word, but NederDutch which is called German, maybe you edit it yourself because you made a muistakke by blocking me, so now i have to look at all your editing on articles. --BabiBandung (talk) 11:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Your choice to start vandalizing, I suppose. Anyone who knows the basics of formatting and has read WT:ELE would immediately recognize your formatting as an unrecoverable mess, and you can't even justify them based on Talk:-heid. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 11:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Special:DeletedContributions/184.145.16.133

Most of these words are clearly attestable. Please restore the pages. DTLHS (talk) 20:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Done; it was my impression that this was yet another case of the same vandal on Bell ranges that invents new terms and boldly adds them to the dictionary, but the entries have cited this time, which I haven't seen before. Perhaps it is simply another (valid) contributor that just happens to be on the same ranges. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 20:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

vaaleanruskea

Hey. vaaleanruskea is probably missing a "noun" header. --Odiumsatin (talk) 17:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Not anymore. The faker has been unmasked. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 17:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Translating a Book Title into Finnish

How would you translate the book title How the Specter of Communism Is Ruling Our World into Finnish?

(The original Chinese version is titled 《魔鬼在統治著我們的世界》, or móguǐ zài tǒngzhì zhe wǒmen de shìjiè in Pinyin.)

Thanks for considering and answering. --Apisite (talk) 17:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I would translate it as "Kuinka kommunismin aave hallitsee maailmaamme" or "Kuinka kommunismin haamu hallitsee maailmaamme". — surjection ⟨??⟩ 18:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Now you're mentioned in the DeviantArt article's description. --Apisite (talk) 18:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Some Background

Your cheery little visitor looks to me a lot like Nemzag (talk • contribs • global account info • deleted contribs • nuke • abuse filter log • page moves • block • block log • active blocks): the allusions to Hebrew, the location of the IP for the original edit in Belgium, and just the general delusional paranoid craziness. He seems to have gotten a lot more hostile and threatening over the years, though. Aside from the proxies, he's apparently decided to drop the gratuitous hyphenation in order to not give himself away, but it's real hard for someone like him to keep a low profile. Chuck Entz (talk) 20:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk-Page Bot

If you look at the deleted contributions for LinwoodCordova (talk • contribs • global account info • deleted contribs • nuke • abuse filter log • page moves • block • block log • active blocks), you'll notice that the talk page you deleted and the one that @SemperBlotto got are completely different. That should be the tipoff that we're not dealing with some random person creating a vanity user page, but a bot.

What this bot does is create an innocuous-looking container for links to sites they're promoting to the search engines. The first batch doesn't have any links, but it's just a test run- soon enough you'll be seeing things like "Hi, my name's Tiffany, and I'm an 18 year old male from Poland. I like basket-weaving and nuclear physics. Here's a few of my favorite websites: [followed by links to sites for herbal diet supplements and Bangladeshi discount auto parts].

Whenever I see one of these, I immediately delete the user page, but then I permablock with the reason "Unauthorized bot", and I make sure to block talk page access, as well. These people are using a different anonymous proxy for each account on the back end, so blocking won't shut them down for long. The idea is to show anyone who's checking the bot run that they're wasting their time and bandwidth. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Reverted edit of "caber"

Why was my edit of "caber" reverted? Sdiabhon Sdiamhon (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The problem was you adding the colon, which caused the category link to show up on the page as opposed to adding the page onto that category. However, I see it has been readded correctly now. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 23:17, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The symbol of mathematical constants e, i, and π are exactly the same as normal.

First, ∞ is not a number but it's the naturality of the ordinal number ω and the cardinal number ℵ₀. Second, e is the base of natural logarithms, i is an imaginary unit, and π is Circumference/diameter (for example: Diameter is 1, Circumference is π). 37.155.225.14 (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

π is a Greek letter, while e and i are not, which are best left italicized to improve readability. Italicizing all of them is standard mathematical typographic practice. ∞ is not usually quantified rigorously in terms of cardinality or ordinality and is a rather informal mathematical term when computations are applied to it. Even if so, ℵ₀ + ℵ₀ = 2ℵ₀ = ℵ₀. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 10:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

e and i looks like this: e, i. You don't need to make italic. Yes, they aren't greek letters but π is. ℵ₁^ℵ₀ wasn't yet confirmed as ℵ₂. ∞ is not an ordinal or cardinal number but ω+ℵ₀ = ?. 37.155.225.14 (talk) 10:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

"don't need to" is framing it wrong, as it is again standard practice to italicize them if technically possible. Do you deny that?

"∞ is not an ordinal or cardinal number", again, it isn't rigorously defined. Of course you can't add ordinals and cardinals, but implying that ∞ is somehow both is disingenuous when you already said it isn't either. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 10:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

You don't need to italicize the symbols of mathematical constants. The cardinality of ∞ is ℵ₀, and the ordinality of ∞ is ω. ∞ is also countable but not a number. 37.155.225.14 (talk) 10:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Again, you're fixating on "needing to italicize" them, so I'm assuming you're not understanding why they are italicized. On the other hand, the latter does not respond to the points I made earlier, so I'm choosing to not respond to that either. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 11:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Precidence of bold or in tulla

Hi! Thanks for all your work on Finnish definitions. In https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=tulla&diff=58247044&oldid=54436875 you removed bold formatting on an or, but I think this is useful since it distinguishes between low precedence and high precedence. It is the difference between (elative + 3rd person singular + noun/adjective in nominative or partitive) or (personal + translative) and elative + 3rd person singular + noun/adjective in (nominative or partitive or personal) + translative. I added it back in https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=tulla&diff=59418947&oldid=59250279 but I just thought I'd point it out here since I think this is a useful convention to keep if possible.

--Megajuice (talk) 12:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I probably did it without noticing why it was there. Bolding the or is a messy solution, but I'm not really sure if there is a better one for this particular case. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 15:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Bad rollback

You have rolled-back this edit ([2]) which added a definition to a page. Why? 90.240.151.145 08:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Wiktionary is not a place for made-up words (unless you put them in WT:LOP and nowhere else). — surjection ⟨??⟩ 09:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Votes/bc-2020-06/User:Surjection for bureaucrat

Please be sure to accept before midnight UTC. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 18:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion. How are you celebrating? --Whenitcomestoit (talk) 10:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

The only option I have left under these times is to stay home and stare at a wall. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 10:50, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

"A wall can become a canvas" - John Dryden --Whenitcomestoit (talk) 10:51, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Somerkoski

So what does that somer- prefix mean? Equinox ◑ 23:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

The same as somero (“shingle, rough gravel”). Somerkoski probably first referred to a place and was that way transferred into being used as a surname (that is fairly common with Finnish surnames). The actual form in Somerkoski is more like somer, which is a dialectal form that is probably not attestable on its own. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 12:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I wondered if it was some half-Swedish borrowing or something (like summer), guess not! This was the name of my dear Internet friend from long ago, I don't know what she did and you can't ask the family "hey how did your daughter die" but I miss that girl. ok equinox enough. Equinox ◑ 12:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Thomas Sankara coinages

I do not know what I was thinking when I edited all the Burkina Faso entries. I finished the damage control with the exception of the now-empty categories at Category:Terms coined by Thomas Sankara by language. Would you mind deleting those? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 13:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries, mistakes happen. I'll delete them as empty categories. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 14:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 14:52, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Lamborghini Doors

An informal phrase cannot be considered as "slang". It is also not an American-only term and there is no proof that it originated there. I just removed what is not definite. Grady240105 (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

If you think it's informal and not slang, then change the slang label to informal. What you did instead was completely wipe off the definition for seemingly no reason. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 18:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Hello thank you for reverting my edit on mason.That was actually my friend. Linxi 1234 (talk) 01:11, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

😄😀 Linxi 1234 (talk) 04:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

My edits on grow up and above the law

Why were they reverted? (69.59.70.122 14:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)69.59.70.122)

Both usage examples were worse than the ones already given for the meanings. Usage examples are also meant to be natural and friendly (or as close as possible to that), avoid unnecessary name-dropping and not revolve around a pun of some kind. In brief, it's pretty apparent you're adding usage examples in bad faith, and I advise you to stop. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 15:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Dharma vs religion

Religion is not dharma... Dharma talks about what is your duty. Religion tells about what is preached and politically accepted.. Ex- It is your dharma to study during exams. If all religions are equal, then why do They have slavery in their relgious books? Akashmaurya24 (talk) 03:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

All of the entries you changed in one way or another point to equivalents of the "religion" article on Wikipedia. That in itself is enough of a reason to not tendentiously blanket-replace the term on the page. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 10:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

धर्म vs relgion

Please read sanskrit page of धर्म. https://sa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%83?wprov=sfla1 Akashmaurya24 (talk) 03:30, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what it meant in Sanskrit. Some words change meaning over time. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 10:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Misinformation

This page has a lot of false I false information and is an insult Chaldean4Christ (talk) 22:35, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

No? — surjection ⟨??⟩ 22:45, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

backroom, Internet slang sense

This is an Internet "meme" (see [3]) about a series of rooms that are somehow "behind" reality. I suppose it was invented by video-gamer kids who know the cheat codes that allow you to "clip" through a wall and see the untextured empty spaces behind them that players would not normally see. Equinox ◑ 10:37, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Blighty: bilāyatī baingan means 'tomato', not 'aubergine'

As per the cited authority (Hobson-Jobson page {94a} http://www.gutenberg.org/files/58529/58529-h/58529-h.htm), bilāyatī baingan translates to 'tomato', not 'aubergine'. The confusion is that the literal translation is 'foreign aubergine'. The aubergine is native to India, the British didn't introduce it. They didn't exactly introduce tomatoes either, for that matter. — This unsigned comment was added by 88.97.62.211 (talk).

Right, I misunderstood the edit. I'll change it back. Sorry. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 21:09, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

siipi

Probably not, but do you remember why you made this diff? Because the Ingrian entry still has the same etymology as the old Finnish one, and if that etymology is wrong, we ought to change it. Thadh (talk) 16:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

My train of thought was probably that since the Baltic etymology is uncertain, it'd be better to have the discussion under the Proto-Finnic entry. I wouldn't exactly say the Baltic etymology is "wrong", though. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 21:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Kiitos. Seeing that there is no reconstruction page yet, I will let is be as it is for now, at least until we have the page. Thadh (talk) 09:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Bot flag request

I'm requesting the bot flag for User:AutoDooz per the vote here. Thanks! JeffDoozan (talk) 17:43, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done — surjection ⟨??⟩ 17:45, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

"Mallu" is an offensive term

The word "Mallu" is not used in a good connotation and is neither formal nor respectful.

Indielov (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

A term isn't offensive just because it isn't formal nor respectful; it already has a "slang" label on it. As for whether it's offensive, I can't find any consistent information. I opened a topic about it over at the Tea Room. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 16:01, 24 August 2020 (UTC)