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* 2016-02; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Interwiki links]] '''passes'''
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* 2016-02; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-02/Placement of "Alternative forms"]] '''fails'''
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* 2016-02; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-02/Multiple pronunciation sections]] '''fails'''
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* 2016-01; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Entry name 3]] '''fails'''
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* 2016-01; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Automated transliterations]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2016-02</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Trivia]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2016-02; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Language 2]] '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2016-02</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Interwiki links]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2016-02; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-02/Placement of "Usage notes"]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2016-02</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-02/Placement of "Alternative forms"]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2016-02; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Notes about pronunciations]] '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2016-02</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-02/Multiple pronunciation sections]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2016-01; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Pronunciation]] '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2016-01</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Entry name 3]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2015-12; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Entry name: sign languages]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2016-01</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Automated transliterations]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2016-01; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Translations of taxonomic names]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2016-02</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Language 2]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2016-01; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Literal translations in translation tables]] '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2016-02</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-02/Placement of "Usage notes"]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-11; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-11/Short blocking policy]] '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2016-02</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-02/Notes about pronunciations]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2015-12; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/References]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2016-01</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Pronunciation]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2015-12; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Definitions]] '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2015-12</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Entry name: sign languages]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-12; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/EL introduction]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2016-01</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Translations of taxonomic names]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-11; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-11/NORM: 10 proposals]]: 5 proposals '''pass''', 1 proposal '''fails''', 4 proposals '''no consensus'''
<tr> <td>2016-01</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2016-01/Literal translations in translation tables]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2016-01; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-01/Uncle G for de-sysop]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-11</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-11/Short blocking policy]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2016-01; [[Wiktionary:Votes/bt-2016-01/User:RileyBot]] '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2015-12</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/References]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-10; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2015-10/Matched-pair naming format: left, space, right]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-12</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Definitions]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2015-10; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-10/Entry name section]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-12</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/EL introduction]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-09; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-09/Using macrons and breves for Ancient Greek in various places]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-11</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-11/NORM: 10 proposals]]</td><td> 5 proposals '''pass''', 1 proposal '''fails''', 4 proposals '''no consensus'''</td></tr>
* 2015-08; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-08/Templatizing usage examples]] '''passes''' with exceptions
<tr> <td>2016-01</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2016-01/Uncle G for de-sysop]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-08; [[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-10/Headword line]]: proposals 1 and 2 '''pass''', proposal 3 '''fails'''
<tr> <td>2016-01</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/bt-2016-01/User:RileyBot]]</td><td> '''fails'''</td></tr>
* 2015-09; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2015-09/Creating a namespace for reconstructed terms]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-10</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2015-10/Matched-pair naming format: left, space, right]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-08; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2015-08/Allowing matched-pair entries]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-10</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-10/Entry name section]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2015-09; [[Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2015-09/User:DTLHS for admin]] '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-09</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-09/Using macrons and breves for Ancient Greek in various places]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
* 2013-10; [[Wiktionary:Votes/2013-10/Reconstructions need references]]: option 1 '''fails''', option 2 '''passes'''
<tr> <td>2015-08</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-08/Templatizing usage examples]]</td><td> '''passes''' with exceptions</td></tr>
<tr> <td>2015-08</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-10/Headword line]]</td><td> proposals 1 and 2 '''pass''', proposal 3 '''fails'''</td></tr>
<tr> <td>2015-09</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2015-09/Creating a namespace for reconstructed terms]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
<tr> <td>2015-08</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2015-08/Allowing matched-pair entries]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
<tr> <td>2015-09</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/sy-2015-09/User:DTLHS for admin]]</td><td> '''passes'''</td></tr>
<tr> <td>2013-10</td><td>[[Wiktionary:Votes/2013-10/Reconstructions need references]]</td><td> option 1 '''fails''', option 2 '''passes'''</td></tr>
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Wiktionary > Votes

Template loop detected: Wiktionary:Votes/header Main sections of this page: #Current and new votes, #Recently ended votes and #Proposed votes. See also /Timeline.

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Planned, running, and recent votes [edit this list]
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Aug 23Remove "Quotations" sections19 1 2
(=1)[Wiktionary:Table of votes](=22)

Remove "Quotations" sections

Background:

  • Currently, the Entry Layout policy states that any time "there is more than one [quotation] being provided", the quotes no longer go under the relevant definitions but in "a separate section", ====Quotations====. This has been unchanged (and unheeded) since 2006, before we had javascript to collapse quotations or a Citations: namespace. (Indeed, the policy makes no mention of Citations: pages and says any quotes that can't go under definitions—including gibberish too nonsensical to assign to a sense, and potentially quotes from senses that fail RFV—should be mixed into ====Quotations===== sections alongside quotes for well-attested senses. Here is what an entry might look like if it followed this policy: some definitions' quotations under the definitions, other definitions' quotations in an undifferentiated heap at the bottom.)

Voting on:

  • Removing ====Quotations==== sections. Anything in such a section should be placed under the relevant definition(s) or on the relevant Citations: page(s). In particular, the "Quotations" section of WT:EL, which is:
===Quotations===
:Main article: Wiktionary:Quotations
Quotations are generally placed under the definition which they illustrate. If there is more than one being provided, or where this is not possible (e.g., a very early usage that does not clearly relate to a specific sense of the word), a separate section should be used. Quotations here are formatted normally but without definition numbers.
* 1561, Flat Footed (translator), Platypus (author), Odes, chapter 3, line 12:
*: The hrunk it hrunketh every day.
will be changed to this and moved the "Definitions" section:
Definitions may be illustrated by quotations. Quotations are generally placed under the definition which they illustrate. Where this is not possible (e.g. if a usage does not clearly relate to a specific sense), they should be placed on the Citations page. Less illustrative quotations may also be put on the Citations page. For details of how to format quotations, see Wiktionary:Quotations.
  • WT:" will be updated accordingly.

Schedule:

Discussion(s):

Support

  1. Support About time we did this. This, that and the other (talk) 11:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Urszag (talk) 11:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support This is just codifying standard practice --Overlordnat1 (talk) 11:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support: The quotations section is so confusing that our readers have to spend several extra minutes staring at it in a desperate attempt to comprehend anything – this results in longer viewer retention for us! Truly genius. Only a naïve, kind freethinker who values our reader base would want to get rid of something like this. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support This policy is completely ignored, which is probably why I never realized until now that multiple quotations should go in a separate section. Makes sense to update it to reflect longstanding practice. Megathonic (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support: I have got rid of some in the past, but couldn't decide on some where given names are the same as surnames. DonnanZ (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support. I already remove these on sight, if at all possible. They aren't helpful for polysemous words and aren't necessary for monosemous ones. — This unsigned comment was added by Andrew Sheedy (talk • contribs) at 19:17, 25 July 2024.
    Oh my gosh – a ghost! LunaEatsTuna (talk) 20:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ghosts are still eligible to vote as long as they meet the requirements. Inqilābī 20:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    LOL, I've gotten so used to these "reply" buttons that add in my signature automatically that I forget it when I have to actually used the "edit" button... Andrew Sheedy (talk) 04:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support per all the above. Theknightwho (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 22:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support J3133 (talk) 06:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 07:34, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support. Imetsia (talk (more)) 17:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support Akaibu (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Support Benwing2 (talk) 07:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support — Fenakhay (حيطي · مساهماتي) 21:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Support I like the way quotations and excerpts have become organized now, and see no reason to have any mention or use for the "old" way. Kungming2 (talk) 14:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 18:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support as commonsense measure. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 22:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support tbm (talk) 11:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  1. Weak oppose — I agree that these sections are undesirable on the whole; however, they do have one legitimate use-case, AFAICT: Citations that definitely belong to one of an entry's defined senses, but to which one in particular a given editor does not yet know. This case came up just now when I created Ancient Greek σημείᾱ (sēmeíā): Unfortunately, the LSJ entry for the word cites a number of sources in its discussion of the word's spellings, without assigning them to a particular sense. Those which I couldn't work out by triangulating with Bailly and Pape I ended up adding under σημεία#Quotations. Yes, they could go to Citations:σημεία instead, but it would be better, I think, to keep them where they are and to have the entry added to a quotations-section–related clean-up category. 0DF (talk) 20:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point sir. In fact, I think it wouldn’t hurt if we instead abolished the Citations page and used the Quotations sections for the same purpose we use the Citations mainspace now. Editors could then easily relocate a quote from the Quotations section to one of the definitions whenever necessary without any hassle, as I talked about below. Inqilābī 12:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain

  1. Abstain Looks okay to me. I am not offended by the Quotations sections conceptually, but the majority of its uses looked sorry for themselves, and we remove one complication of layout options benefiting automated processes. Fay Freak (talk) 10:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Abstain. Even without codification, one could easily get rid of a Quotations section. But I can’t do the same with a Citations page: I come across lots of Citations pages with quotes unnecessarily lying there (I mean pertinent, non-controversial quotes for attested senses) which ought to be relocated to the dictionary entry. I feel like moving the quotes and tagging the page for speedy deletion, but the fact that I don’t have deleting perms deter me (see also WT:RFDE#Citations:timid as a rabbit); I once did this and Eq deleted the Citations page, but he isn’t anymore, and other admins are possibly reluctant to do such chores. Good luck and best wishes. Inqilābī 16:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decision

Recently ended votes

Votes that have recently ended, to be ultimately moved to /Timeline:

Proposed votes

The following are proposals for new votes, excluding nominations, such that the proposer of the vote prefers that the vote is written collaboratively, or such that the vote appears to require substantial revision. If you have not created a passing vote yet, it is recommended that you use this section and actively solicit feedback by linking to your proposal in discussion; your vote may have a better chance of passing if it is first reviewed.

Votes may linger here indefinitely. If changes in policy make a proposal irrelevant, the voting page will be requested for deletion. On the other hand, you do not have to be the creator to initiate one of the votes below. Place any votes with a live start date in the section above at least a few days before that start date arrives.

Votes intended to be written collaboratively or substantially revised:

Main sections of this page: #Current and new votes, #Recently ended votes and #Proposed votes. See also /Timeline.

Current and new votes

Planned, running, and recent votes [edit this list]
(see also: timeline, policy)
EndsTitleStatus/Votes
Aug 23Remove "Quotations" sections19 1 2
(=1)[Wiktionary:Table of votes](=22)

Remove "Quotations" sections

Background:

  • Currently, the Entry Layout policy states that any time "there is more than one [quotation] being provided", the quotes no longer go under the relevant definitions but in "a separate section", ====Quotations====. This has been unchanged (and unheeded) since 2006, before we had javascript to collapse quotations or a Citations: namespace. (Indeed, the policy makes no mention of Citations: pages and says any quotes that can't go under definitions—including gibberish too nonsensical to assign to a sense, and potentially quotes from senses that fail RFV—should be mixed into ====Quotations===== sections alongside quotes for well-attested senses. Here is what an entry might look like if it followed this policy: some definitions' quotations under the definitions, other definitions' quotations in an undifferentiated heap at the bottom.)

Voting on:

  • Removing ====Quotations==== sections. Anything in such a section should be placed under the relevant definition(s) or on the relevant Citations: page(s). In particular, the "Quotations" section of WT:EL, which is:
===Quotations===
:Main article: Wiktionary:Quotations
Quotations are generally placed under the definition which they illustrate. If there is more than one being provided, or where this is not possible (e.g., a very early usage that does not clearly relate to a specific sense of the word), a separate section should be used. Quotations here are formatted normally but without definition numbers.
* 1561, Flat Footed (translator), Platypus (author), Odes, chapter 3, line 12:
*: The hrunk it hrunketh every day.
will be changed to this and moved the "Definitions" section:
Definitions may be illustrated by quotations. Quotations are generally placed under the definition which they illustrate. Where this is not possible (e.g. if a usage does not clearly relate to a specific sense), they should be placed on the Citations page. Less illustrative quotations may also be put on the Citations page. For details of how to format quotations, see Wiktionary:Quotations.
  • WT:" will be updated accordingly.

Schedule:

Discussion(s):

Support

  1. Support About time we did this. This, that and the other (talk) 11:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Urszag (talk) 11:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support This is just codifying standard practice --Overlordnat1 (talk) 11:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support — Sgconlaw (talk) 14:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support: The quotations section is so confusing that our readers have to spend several extra minutes staring at it in a desperate attempt to comprehend anything – this results in longer viewer retention for us! Truly genius. Only a naïve, kind freethinker who values our reader base would want to get rid of something like this. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support This policy is completely ignored, which is probably why I never realized until now that multiple quotations should go in a separate section. Makes sense to update it to reflect longstanding practice. Megathonic (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support: I have got rid of some in the past, but couldn't decide on some where given names are the same as surnames. DonnanZ (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support. I already remove these on sight, if at all possible. They aren't helpful for polysemous words and aren't necessary for monosemous ones. — This unsigned comment was added by Andrew Sheedy (talk • contribs) at 19:17, 25 July 2024.
    Oh my gosh – a ghost! LunaEatsTuna (talk) 20:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ghosts are still eligible to vote as long as they meet the requirements. Inqilābī 20:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    LOL, I've gotten so used to these "reply" buttons that add in my signature automatically that I forget it when I have to actually used the "edit" button... Andrew Sheedy (talk) 04:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support per all the above. Theknightwho (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support —The Editor's Apprentice (talk) 22:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support J3133 (talk) 06:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support MuDavid 栘𩿠 (talk) 07:34, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support. Imetsia (talk (more)) 17:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support Akaibu (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Support Benwing2 (talk) 07:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support — Fenakhay (حيطي · مساهماتي) 21:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Support I like the way quotations and excerpts have become organized now, and see no reason to have any mention or use for the "old" way. Kungming2 (talk) 14:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support —AryamanA (मुझसे बात करें • योगदान) 18:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support as commonsense measure. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 22:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support tbm (talk) 11:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  1. Weak oppose — I agree that these sections are undesirable on the whole; however, they do have one legitimate use-case, AFAICT: Citations that definitely belong to one of an entry's defined senses, but to which one in particular a given editor does not yet know. This case came up just now when I created Ancient Greek σημείᾱ (sēmeíā): Unfortunately, the LSJ entry for the word cites a number of sources in its discussion of the word's spellings, without assigning them to a particular sense. Those which I couldn't work out by triangulating with Bailly and Pape I ended up adding under σημεία#Quotations. Yes, they could go to Citations:σημεία instead, but it would be better, I think, to keep them where they are and to have the entry added to a quotations-section–related clean-up category. 0DF (talk) 20:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point sir. In fact, I think it wouldn’t hurt if we instead abolished the Citations page and used the Quotations sections for the same purpose we use the Citations mainspace now. Editors could then easily relocate a quote from the Quotations section to one of the definitions whenever necessary without any hassle, as I talked about below. Inqilābī 12:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abstain

  1. Abstain Looks okay to me. I am not offended by the Quotations sections conceptually, but the majority of its uses looked sorry for themselves, and we remove one complication of layout options benefiting automated processes. Fay Freak (talk) 10:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Abstain. Even without codification, one could easily get rid of a Quotations section. But I can’t do the same with a Citations page: I come across lots of Citations pages with quotes unnecessarily lying there (I mean pertinent, non-controversial quotes for attested senses) which ought to be relocated to the dictionary entry. I feel like moving the quotes and tagging the page for speedy deletion, but the fact that I don’t have deleting perms deter me (see also WT:RFDE#Citations:timid as a rabbit); I once did this and Eq deleted the Citations page, but he isn’t anymore, and other admins are possibly reluctant to do such chores. Good luck and best wishes. Inqilābī 16:45, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decision

Recently ended votes

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Proposed votes

The following are proposals for new votes, excluding nominations, such that the proposer of the vote prefers that the vote is written collaboratively, or such that the vote appears to require substantial revision. If you have not created a passing vote yet, it is recommended that you use this section and actively solicit feedback by linking to your proposal in discussion; your vote may have a better chance of passing if it is first reviewed.

Votes may linger here indefinitely. If changes in policy make a proposal irrelevant, the voting page will be requested for deletion. On the other hand, you do not have to be the creator to initiate one of the votes below. Place any votes with a live start date in the section above at least a few days before that start date arrives.

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