User talk:Neskaya/Archive 2007

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Wiktionary:About Hebrew


I just wanted to let you know about Wiktionary:About Hebrew, which is currently a work in progress; your input would be welcome. :-)

RuakhTALK 02:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually in the busy nothingness of summer break. I'm currently working on translations, but I'll get there. Neskaya 04:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I've noticed your frustrations with the Babel template on your talk page. Note that the straight-up {{Babel}} template can take up to 100 languages; the other existing Babel templates all just redirect to it. So, {{Babel|en|chr|he-4|yi-4|fr-2|vi-1}} will do what I think you want. —RuakhTALK 17:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Wait, never mind, I was being stupid; I see what your problem was now. —RuakhTALK 17:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, the chr just leads to a blank template that I don't personally have the patience to create. If I did have such patience, I might make the Cherokee template. Neskaya 17:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Got the templates I wanted from en.wp after a bit of deliberation

Just a note, that the recent anonymous edits to my userpage were in fact me, I just didn't realise that they were logged out.

Gag me with a spoon --Connel MacKenzie 17:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you serious? Neskaya 18:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Like, oh my gawad, totally. (Sorry, your talk page fell off my watchlist last month. The contrived "dialect" was very popular in the 80s.) --Connel MacKenzie 17:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


I reverted your addition of Scots while undoing a huge mess made by another user. Could you put the translation to Scots back, in the proper place? Tx, Robert Ullmann 02:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Done, thanks for letting me know. Neskaya 02:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloak request

I am Neskaya on freenode and I would like the cloak wiktionary/neskaya. Thanks. --Ꮑ Ꮝ Ꭷ Ꮿֶ 05:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


Ahh, I don't know it very well. These are just words I've noted down while researching things and what not. Jakeybean 10:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


Hiya, thanks for all the new Scots entries. Please note though that for foreign language entries (Scots counts!) we give translations or glosses rather than definitions. In practice for your entries this means they should not be full sentences, ie they should start with a small letter and not end in a full stop. Hope that makes sense. Widsith 10:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh. Will fix that after the milestone run. I'm sure you can get that, right? These were all written ages ago. ᏁᏍᎧᏯֶ talk 10:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Addendum, fixing those I can as I go. ᏁᏍᎧᏯֶ talk 10:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, don't worry about the old ones - we'll get round to those in time. It's just something to be aware of as you're entering new words. Widsith 10:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay then. This current round is what I'd gotten ready for my feeble attempt at the milestone 500,000 entry. ᏁᏍᎧᏯֶ talk 10:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

boak and verb forms

Hello there! good work on adding Scots entries, I'm not Scottish me self so additions from me have been few and far between recently. Anyway, I noticed you added the verb forms for boak, you can still use standard templates {{third-person singular of}}, {{present participle of}} and {{past of}} in Scots entries as long as the lang=Scots parameter is included to categorise the verb forms correctly. Please see boakin and boakt for changes I made. Keep up the good work.--Williamsayers79 11:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for lettin me ken those existed, dinna ken before. I was actually making edits in a semi-hurry due to milestone and forgetting about it. I'll remember to use the templates in the future. ᏁᏍᎧᏯֶ talk 11:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Divint fash yorsel wor kid, wi aall have te start off from nowt! --Williamsayers79 11:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Scots verbs

Hi please be aware that {{sco-verb}} only works for verbs which take a -t in the past tense. For others you have to add the arguments manually. Scots verbs are a bit complicated and the template is not (yet). The basic rule is that the template should work for any verb ending in a short vowel, s without a silent e, or one of the following consonantsL c, f, h, l, m, n, r, x. I have deleted conseestt which should be conseestit (although I've never actually heard this word before; where did you come across it?). Widsith 08:26, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoops. Didn't even notice, sorry about that. (Came across it in a letter my grandmum wrote?) ᏁᏍᎧᏯֶ talk 22:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Neskaya. Feel free to revert this if it's not what you intended. I just offered it as a weak suggestion. Rod (A. Smith) 21:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


no, you were right to revert it the first time. Look at the history, and the WP article history; is a POV vandal. Robert Ullmann 01:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


Do you know what this anon is trying to do with Template:chu nom? DAVilla 10:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Considering it is a template that doesn't exist I'm going to just take it out and look into it. Also, there is already a section for Vietnamese in the word. Chu nom isn't really used to write any more nor do I know how to write it. =\. Neskaya talk 18:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
In single character entries, we use the header "Han character", here it should be noun. I suspect this person wanted to do something like {{ja-kanjitab}}? Don't know. Robert Ullmann 18:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't really know either. Neskaya talk 18:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


I’ve replied to you on my talk page. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 23:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

In the future, please note that when I leave messages on someone's talk page I also watch the page on Vandalfighter, and don't really need you to let me know. It's an appreciated gesture the first time though. Neskaya talk 23:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
OK. Noted for the future. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 23:25, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: hakuna matata

Man, I was really tempted to just reply with "hakuna matata"... Mike Dillon 23:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:David Little:User of the WIKI Project

Sir, I don't know why at all, but at school I'm considered by other kids to be a gangster. I NEVER want to be one. It freightens me. Does being High-functioning Autistic have anything to do with Gangs? Please Tell and/or Show me.

I replied on your talk page, please remember to sign your comments with --~~~~. --Neskaya talk 03:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Format of Scots plurals

Hello there, please have a look at my edits to ensaumples, this is an example of fairly standard formatting for Scots plurals. Please use templates where possible to help autocategorise the entries.--Williamsayers79 11:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for showing me that. That was one of the ones that I added before I knew that the standard templates had the lang=Scots parametre. I'll get around to the rest of them that I've added in the next week or two. --Neskaya talk 13:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Good man! that would be proper canny like! --Williamsayers79 07:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

More Scots

So a question for you. I'm sitting at my computer basically thinking of what to do, and my mind is telling me that sae would be the correct spelling for Scots for so. However, with the finickyness that Scots spellings can be and the way people caa over them when they aren't quite the right way, I was reluctant to add the entry. Perhaps you could let me know if this seems like the right spelling to you? --Neskaya talk 07:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, sae is definitely good! Of course, Scots uses so as well, although it seems to be in different contexts - mainly in collocations like "he did such-and-such, so he did" and things like that. Widsith 10:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
It would looks about right to me, and it can be references also to the DSL, BTW I created a reference template {{R:DSL}} to use for any entries where we references the DSL. --Williamsayers79 07:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I shall remember that. I am not very good with templates and the like, so your pointing them out to me is VERY useful. --Neskaya talk 01:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for your comments. "Out-of-fashion" does not mean that the spelling is no longer in use, just that it's use has clearly diminished from what it was in the past. Eclecticology 01:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Translations of borrowed, called

I'm not 100% on this, but I don't think we translate inflections. DAVilla 16:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for letting me know, in that case. I was just sort of following links and adding translations on either end of the link, if that makes sense.  :) — Neskaya talk 23:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

New Buttons!

I'm happy to announce that you have been promoted. Here are some basic instructions about the new tools. If you have any questions, feel free to ask any other admin, including your promoter, User:Dvortygirl. Also, please update your entry in the administrator list with any additions or corrections at WT:A. Thanks for your hard work in the past and (in advance) for the work you will be doing! (Heh, thought I wouldn't bother to give you a notice? How could I resist?) ArielGlenn 05:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! Rod (A. Smith) 05:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


Please turn on the "Replace text in deletion log comment" item (1st in the sysop-only section) or be more diligent about manually quashing deletion comments that contain people's names. Only vandals enter such information, for any of a variety of (harassment) reasons. --Connel MacKenzie 18:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You will have to help me FIND that section. It isn't there. --Neskaya talk 18:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you could try a different browser? On IE you refresh the JS cache with Ctrl-F5. on FF, Ctrl-Sh-R works. At the bottom of that page are several items under "Sysop-only functions:". --Connel MacKenzie 19:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I still cannot find it. I am using a computer that I have not used before for Wiktionary, using IE whatever it is, and it is not there. Which "tab" of preferences would it be under? (Or should I talk to you on IRC when I get a chance and until then add comment and be careful on the autocomment thing?) --Neskaya talk 21:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It sounds like you went to Special:Preferences instead of Wiktionary:Preferences. The latter has what you want. Welcome to admin-dom, by the way. :-) —RuakhTALK 22:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, likely. Because I'm silly sometimes. Todah rabah. --Neskaya talk 22:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
b'bhaqqāshāh. :-) It's fun using grammar-y romanizations. :-)RuakhTALK 02:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I was editing from a Windoze computer. Could not find how to type in Hebrew to begin with. --Neskaya talk 05:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


Your archival is a little too aggressive. Please look back at your deletion of 17:02, September 13, 2007. Letting personal information slip into the (harvested) deletion log is not OK. --Connel MacKenzie 09:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out. I thought that I was getting them, as I got most of the rest of them. And I did check that box. --Neskaya talk 14:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


I could use some help. I can't make an account on Wikipedia. My work IP is blocked, and my home PC is down. What can I do? Bakura 05:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately I am not a Wikipedia administrator. I am certain that they had a reason to ban you. --Neskaya talk 05:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
No, you misunderstand. My IP here at work is constantly used for vandalism by a whole bunch of people. I am not banned; I have never even made an edit there yet. Bakura 05:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome template. Bakura 05:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I accidentally said "blocked" my PC. No, it's just down, and it's being repaired at by a technitian. Bakura 05:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I am not a Wikipedia admin. I do not edit Wikipedia. --Neskaya talk 05:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Do you know of anybody here who is a Wikipedian admin? Bakura 05:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


Be careful when reverting edits to look at the history or the result; often two bored/stupid secondary students or bored/drunk/stupid university students are going back and forth! In this case, probably the IP is the same user. It is also okay to block vandal-only accounts "infinite", they can pick a new name when they sober up. Cheers, Robert Ullmann 00:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for your contributions on commons. You have a good voice, and I think it's funny that, for not all but certain words like longitude, my accent could sound so much different from yours. I was thinking that it might be good to indicate, besides your Babel info, what general region of the country you're from so that it would be possible to reflect this in the pronunciation section, if not now then someday or as reviewed by a proper linguist. I would imagine this has more to do with where you grew up, broadly, than anything else. There's been a tiny bit of talk about the "proper" way to label dialect but the common practice (US vs. UK) is too broad a brush, in my opinion. So far as I know there isn't any good way to do this right now since not many people fall squarely into one category or another. It took me a while to figure out that my own speech, for instance, isn't General American on account of cot-caught merger. Anyways I'm not the best person to ask, but it seems important and maybe something you'd be intersted in looking into, given the work you're putting in. Regards, DAVilla 04:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I'll put a note on my user page the next time I log in there that I have grown up in Southern California, but the mitigating factor is that I've had Canadian, Swedish, and British influences within my earlier childhood by way of relatives, and we grow up pronouncing things how we hear them, et-cetera. My own speech is not precisely General American either, though. --Neskaya talk 03:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure Dvorty isn't either, so that's no reason to let up, just to be clear. DAVilla 05:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Haven't "let up" as of that because of accent. I've gotten back with school this semester again, which gets rather in the way of recording words for an hour or more at a time, and have barely even had time for IRC, which is generally something I enjoy. --Neskaya talk 21:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

When in Rome, ....

Please take a look at WT:ELE for the standard format of a sense definition. The begin with caps and end with periods whether or not they form sentences. DCDuring 04:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Note that there is no consensus regarding whether definitions should begin with a capital letter or end with a period. ELE only says, “Each definition may be treated as a sentence: beginning with a capital letter and ending with a full stop.” [emphasis added] I prefer gloss-type definitions to be formatted as sentence fragments, so most of my definitions begin with a lower-case letter and end without punctuation. Rod (A. Smith) 21:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out. --Neskaya talk 23:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Please recall that I was defending my own entry, which were in accord with WT:ELE. OTOH, feel free to make whatever changes you want, but there is so much work to do here that we can ill afford to kvetch at each other, even less here than at WP. Generally I like the absence of excessive edit wars here. Happy editing. DCDuring 03:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Understood, and please understand that I go through and set things to the general format I begin with automatically. I've been doing such edits on routine, and I'm sorry if it offended you. Simply put, it was not personal, rather it was me looking at an entry, point a is better than point b, undo and let go. If I was truly offended or annoyed, I'd've let a note on your talk page et-cetera. Thanks for bringing this to my attention though, and yeah ... Truce? --Neskaya talk 02:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
We're cool. My fingers also go on automatic sometimes, so I certainly understand that part. Your edit summary came across as a wrong-headed scolding at the time. I try to channel any emotion in useful directions until some time passes. I am often driven to re-read guidelines or look for cites for an entry I like that's being challenged. Sometimes I calm down because my efforts prove me wrong! Sometimes I just learn something. I hadn't appreciated the differences among veteran editors about sense line formatting. DCDuring 05:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Mhm. Sorry that my edit summary came across hotheadedly. I seem to have a habit of doing that, especially in the past -- see Antarctica and following debate. And heck -- it's okay to have a few differences. Without that we don't have a chance to think enough and whatnot. But the problem that I see is that sense line formatting has to eventually either be one way or the other. While they can be treated as sentences, I really go with the way that I see more common, especially in paper dictionaries, which is lacking capitals and periods.
Cheers, Neskaya talk 05:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Onward. I have subscribed to the American Dialect Society e-mail list. Interesting source. OED is active on it. I got "unring" et al. from them. I like the idea of eaves-dropping on these smart full-time language mavens. I'd heard, but forgotten about "unring". I'm not sure about senses three and one of "unring". I'm not sure how often it is now used without "bell" for that matter. DCDuring 06:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


Yes, it is a conversion script redirect, it can go; but it still had links; see chance. Whatlinkshere has to be checked for every one of these (which is why I automated it ;-) Robert Ullmann 07:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


The audio sounds fine, but the audio link format is a bit off. I've corrected [h this one] to show you what I mean. The link should specify the region, not name the word. Also, all wikt templates are to be lowercase (just a little thing we do), since wikt has case-sensitivity and all. --EncycloPetey 03:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Taken care of. Any more? --Neskaya talk 23:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
A few more. Here are the rest of the selections I have for this month that need audio:
Thanks for doing these, --EncycloPetey 07:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem. These are going to wait until tomorrow evening though as I am right now busily trying to complete my homework assignments so I pass English. --Neskaya talk 22:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Restoration "list of internet slang phrases"

Thank you for screwing up a valid redirect by deleting it. It will have been recreated by the time you read this. -- 19:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

It isn't a valid redirect, and Goldenrowley was perfectly valid in deleting it. If you continue with this, you'll be blocked. --Neskaya talk 19:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Admin tools?

When you blocked the user "SemperBlotto is a..." what did you check for boxes? (I was going to do it but you beat me to it and I'm new at the blocking tools). RJFJR 18:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I allowed email but nothing else. Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, but I'd blocked them just about at the end of my class and haven't had the time to come on here since then. --Neskaya talk 04:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

WOTD audio

Well, I can do them myself if necessary. It's just that I've been doing a lot of them lately, and wanted to give others as much opportunity to participate as possible. Besides, people are probably tired of always hearing my voice for WOTD :) --EncycloPetey 03:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


I thought you might be interested in my recent comment at MediaWiki talk:Edittools#Hebrew.—msh210 17:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)