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sueu[edit]

Hi, is my contribution for the Catalan word sueu (Swabian) okay with you? --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 13:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Lo Ximiendo: It is right. --Vriullop (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

tísica[edit]

Hi Vriullop. Thanks for adding the Catalan entries at tisi, tísic, and tísica. Re your edit summary stating that "tísica is only a form", the entry for "phthisic, n. and adj." in the OED (3rd ed., March 2006) has "Compare Catalan tísica phthisis (1507),…"; are you sure that tísica does not exist with this meaning? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 17:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

@I'm so meta even this acronym: I have not found it in any dictionary of modern Catalan, nor in a medical one quite complete (including translations and search entries in English). But, you are right, it exists in the historic dictionary Alcovell-Moll as an ancient term with a citation of a work from 1492. Maybe it is more apropiate as Old Catalan (code roa-oca). I have created it at ca:tísica. --Vriullop (talk) 19:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
@Vriullop: Well, according to w:Old Catalan, 1492–1507 straddles the Old Catalan–Modern Catalan transition date, so it's your call; if you think tísica is best included as an Old Catalan term, then please go ahead and create the entry. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:31, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Checking a Catalan corpus it appears in works of 19th century and early 20th, so finally I have included it as an archaic form. --Vriullop (talk) 09:55, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:35, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Catalan rhymes[edit]

I've moved all the pages now, but there are probably some errors. Could you check the pages for rhymes beginning with ɛ, e, ɔ and o? I don't know much about Western Catalan/Valencian so it's likely that some of them are not correct for all varieties of Catalan. —CodeCat 19:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

@CodeCat: In a first review I have moved Rhymes:Catalan/ɛkte and Rhymes:Catalan/ejʃ. Tomorrow I'll look at it in more depth, but I am suprised you moved -iɫ to Rhymes:Catalan/il as well as other -ɫ. There are some dialectal variations l/ɫ at the beginning of a syllabe, but it is always ɫ at the ending.--Vriullop (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
But ɫ and l are not actually different phonemes. Turning l into ɫ doesn't make it another word. We should use only one symbol per phoneme, so either always l or always ɫ. —CodeCat 21:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

agir[edit]

Hi, Vriullop. For the verb agir, is the first-person singular present "ageixi" or "ageixo"? Is the conjugation of agir like that of another verb, such as protegir? If so, then it might be easy to add a conjugation table for agir. Thanks. —Stephen (Talk) 01:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Stephen G. Brown: This verb is only used in Roussillon and it is unknown in other regions. The form "ageixo" would be the standard in Catalonia but it is not really used. In Roussillon the first-person singular present forms end with "i" instead of "o". This verb is rare, in a Catalan Corpus I only found the infinitive form and an archaic third-person singular present form. --Vriullop (talk) 09:42, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, thank you. —Stephen (Talk) 09:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:U:ca:cardinal numbers, Template:U:ca:large numbers[edit]

Hi! These two Catalan templates are not currently used anywhere. Are they accurate? Do they look like they would be useful? If so, we could add them to entries. (Also pinging User:Carolina wren.) Otherwise, they will probably get deleted because they've been unused for so long. - -sche (discuss) 21:07, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

@-sche: They are accurate. I have made only minor fixes. Whether they are useful or this could be better showed in some other way, I do not know. --Vriullop (talk) 09:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

A few questions[edit]

First, thanks for looking at the Catalan plurals. There's some other plurals I'd like you to check too. I couldn't be sure the plurals and feminine forms were correct for the following: calç, [[belarús], bielorús, caga tió, eben, goç, iar , open, quilohertz, urdú. --Type56op9 (talk) 16:02, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Type56op9: Checked. Some comments:
"caga tió" is used informally and its plural is variable. Usually it is used also as plural without inflection, but also "caga tions" colloquially. In Spanish it is "caga tiós", but it is rare in Catalan.
"goç" is a very old spelling. I have not found it in a modern Corpus. It is hard to know how it was really inflected, but "goços" and "goça" are the natural forms pronounced as "gossos" and "gossa".
"iar" is used rarely and its plural is even more rare, althougt "iars" would be the natural plural.
"open" is an anglicism and its plural is variable. Usually it is used also as plural without any inflection, and "òpens" is less used as an adapted plural.
--Vriullop (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Great! Thanks a lot for your help. I'm not so confident with Catalan yet, I need more time living there. Also thanks for the Module change. I'll work with the category, and tag anything that is too difficult. --Type56op9 (talk) 13:32, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

One more[edit]

Also, I've seen you modify Module:ca-headword, which I assume means you know a little about Modules. I tried to do somethings recently which would generate a list of all Catalan adjective entries which have red links in them, but failed. Do you know how to do that? --Type56op9 (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

@Type56op9: Done. For adjectives there is no "plural" variable but "masculine_plural" and "femenine_plural". It's up to you to create Category:Catalan adjectives with missing forms, now populating. --Vriullop (talk) 20:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. BTW, feminine and not femenine. I've created the inflected forms for all those in the category, except for the ordinal numbers. I wasn't sure if they should be categorised differently, or are they treated just as adjectives in Catalan? --Type56op9 (talk) 14:56, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Type56op9: I think your Catalan is better than my English :-) Ordinal numbers in Catalan are treated as adjectives and also nouns as fractional numbers. It is like in English, but I am not sure how it is all categorised here. For exemple, sixth is adjective and noun but ninety-sixth is numeral and noun. Perhaps it should be discussed elsewhere as a whole. --Vriullop (talk) 19:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Catalan conjugation templates[edit]

Hi again. Looking at Template:ca-conj-ar, the present particple is missing, as well as feminine and plural forms of the past participle. Surely they should be added, don't you think? --Type56op9 (talk) 13:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Present partiple restored, in a previous edit it disapeared inadvertedly. Past participle is inflected like an adjective as in Romance languages, but I am not sure if the inflection is not included in the table intentionally. In Spanish tables is included but in French ones is not. I am not aware of the usual practices in this project. --Vriullop (talk) 20:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Languages[edit]

Another quick question. Languages are considered nouns, not proper nouns, in Catalan, right? --Type56op9 (talk) 13:48, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Right. Languagues are nouns without plural. All proper nouns are capitalized and languagues don't. --Vriullop (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Revert of my revert[edit]

Thank you for sorting that out. This morning I was faced with almost 3000 entries in Category:Pages with module errors between at least several dozen Catalan entries and a huge number of French entries (User:Type56op9 copied code from your edit to Module:fr-headword, which User:Kc kennylau removed, but it was still left with problems). Not knowing how to fix either problem, I simply reverted to the last version I knew worked. This cleared all the module errors and left us with a clean slate to try again- more carefully. In sum, I don't believe my rollback was in error as a temporary stopgap, but it obviously needed to be followed up by further edits from someone familiar with the code. Chuck Entz (talk) 22:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: I believe that I have to apologize. --kc_kennylau (talk) 04:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Apology accepted. Just remember in the future that when you edit a widely-transcluded template or module, you're operating on a live patent- you need to make sure they're stable before you leave the operating room. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry. I realized too late the real reason for the rollback. --Vriullop (talk) 09:40, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for screwing up (again)! --Type56op9 (talk) 13:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)