Wiktionary:Feedback

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This page is for collecting feedback from Wiktionary readers. It should be cleaned out on a three-month basis, as new comments are constantly being added. Feel free to reply to and discuss comments here, though bear in mind that the people who leave the feedback may never come back to read replies. By convention, the feedback is not archived.

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June 2018[edit]

τρίγωνον[edit]

Brilliant website. Very useful for letting me know what I already knew pre internet age.

flob[edit]

This word was in common usage throughout the 1950's when I was at primary and secondary school although there are no cited instances if its written use during this period.

kaše[edit]

I cold not find or understand the creation of verb forms, I would need some examples.

Please look at https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=ka%C5%A1e&action=edit&section=6

Thanks

I do not understand your question. I looked at kaše, but that has nothing to do with verbs, or?
If you need examples of verbs, look here: Category:Serbo-Croatian verbs
For examples of noun forms, see here: afikse, matrice. —Stephen (Talk) 04:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

假借[edit]

Cannot waste my time contributing if anyone can bulldoze anything without explanation. —This unsigned comment was added by 87.119.182.5 (talk).

If you made an edit that was reverted, you should ask the admin who reverted it what the reason was. Not just anyone can bulldoze anything. We have only a handful of admins who can revert like that. We get a large number of bad edits (some deliberate vandalism, some careless, some deformed, and some ignorant, and our small staff cannot discuss with every person who makes a change. I have no idea which word you edited or what your edit was, because your username is anonymous and it has no history here. —Stephen (Talk) 07:17, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Category:German words suffixed with -los[edit]

Some of the definitions are incorrect. I would greatly appreciate it if some of the definitions were corrected.

coquina[edit]

Presumably the stone is uncountable. —This unsigned comment was added by 87.112.250.53 (talk) at 15:45, 15 June 2018‎.

Yes, I think so. Thanks, I've updated the entry. — SGconlaw (talk) 08:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

vive[edit]

This phrase under "usage" not making sense: "Usually rendered as “long live”, though used more generally than people,"

I suspect it wasn't written by a native English speaker. I've clarified the first part of the sentence, and removed the second part, which I think is irrelevant (about English usage of "yay" and "go" more than French usage). Andrew Sheedy (talk) 18:45, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks.

витамин B2[edit]

The declension table is garbled, wikitext appears.

Hmm. It doesn't like the <sub> commands. —Stephen (Talk) 08:10, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

сто тысяч[edit]

The declension table is garbled, wikitext appears.

I think I have fixed this one. —Stephen (Talk) 08:15, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

uroflowmetry[edit]

This should link with the italian

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uroflussometria

I have linked it to w:Urine flow rate on Wikipedia, and that article links to it:w:uroflussometria. Is that what you have in mind? You could add a Translation section to uroflowmetry and we would put the Italian translation there. —Stephen (Talk) 11:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Appendix:Glossary of collective nouns by subject&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwidqq2kvOzbAhXj1IMKHfAUDAEQFggTMAA&usg=AOvVaw0U7ZNjv3n2VBRYB4F 7Hen[edit]

WHY ARE YOU 'WIKID' PEOPLE LYING AND YOU STOPPED BOOK CREATOR? WHY, WHY, I PROMISE YOU GUYS IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THIS, YOU WILL LOSE PEOPLE WHO VISIT YOUR SITES, THANK YOU, WIKI FOR UNDERSTANDING😋😎🙅✋ —This unsigned comment was added by 105.112.29.209 (talk).

Sorry, I have no idea that you're talking about. Who or what is book creator? What lies? If we continue with what? —Stephen (Talk) 08:07, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
@Stephen G. Brown: I suppose it's this? — SGconlaw (talk) 08:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/telh₂-[edit]

H from IJ phonem [Jé] 𐌙 (x10319) = L

Appendix:List of German cognates with English[edit]

I would like to see a cooperation between DWDS, Etymonline, the English Wiktionary and the German Wiktionary, to build a comprehensive, user-friendly etymological dictionary for German and English. All four sources should be merged into one. This also entails that the German and the English Wiktionary should be gradually merged into one, which can easily be done IMHO, article-by-article, if the same templates are used.

καρεκλοκένταυρος -- quit or quiet?[edit]

the first quotation says: He's been the boss here for thirty years and isn't going to quiet -- "to quiet"? "to quit", maybe? --94.220.56.134 13:05, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

"quit", indeed. Thanks! Per utramque cavernam 13:09, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

July 2018[edit]

pwn[edit]

I had time so i left a note :)

You rule, anonymous user! --Harmonicaplayer (talk) 14:08, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Wiktionary's user interface sucks ass 🤷‍♂️[edit]

I'm not going to sugarcoat it. Wiktionary's user interface sucks ass 🤷‍♂️. It looks like it was designed (if you can even call it that) and abandoned during the Reagan administration. I am a human interface designer. I would love to help make Wiktionary presentable. If successful, much more people would use it, and they would spend more seconds on the site to browse around to learn new definitions. I hope to be part of the solution. Feel free to message me. Thank you. Amin (talk) 03:58, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

It's clear and usable, with shortcut keys etc. What would modern "design" entail? Silly parallax effects and huge images that only look good on phones? Equinox 04:02, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
@Equinox: "Silly parallax effects and huge images that only look good on phones?"
I would oppose that. Good design is always functional.
I wish I could videocall with someone from Wiktionary who is responsible for the interface, to explain some of my suggestions. But something tells me that's unlikely to happen.
Alternatively, I might make short 1 min videos on YouTube for Wiktionarions to see. Amin (talk) 12:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I would tend to agree that the user interface needs serious work to make it look better, if only to attract more people. Benwing2 (talk) 04:04, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
If you can mock-up a better interface, please do! There are already a number of "skins". If you can make a better one with javascript or css, you can do it locally, in Special:MyPage/common.js and Special:MyPage/common.css; or if you are proposing to change the way entry pages are laid out, mock one up in Special:MyPage/sandbox (our entry layout has far too much empty space; this and other suboptimalities have been noted for a decade or more); if you want to change the interface more deeply or on more wikis than ours, you might need to visit Phabricator. - -sche (discuss) 04:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
@-sche: Thanks for weighing in. I'd love to create a mockup. In fact, I already have. A few years ago I created a small webapp called Wordo.co, it's at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum in terms of user friendliness. It's very easy to use, the text is big, and it only shows the first definition. Obviously, I would not suggest anything like this for Wiktionary. But it might give you an idea.
I don't just want to improve the Wiktionary layout for myself, ideally the improvements would be deployed to everyone.
I also looked into the other skins. They all suck in my opinion.
I will look into Phabricator, it looks interesting.
Amin (talk) 12:45, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Definitely agree. Wyang (talk) 04:45, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Have you checked out the Timeless skin yet? It doesn't really affect the page content itself but it has a modern look. —Suzukaze-c 06:27, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
@Suzukaze-c:
Thanks for weighing in. I just checked it out. I think it sucks. And I don't think it looks modern at all tbh. Medium.com looks modern. Amin (talk) 12:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I tend to disagree with you, Amin. Wiktionary has looked relatively the same since I first started reading it even, back in c. 2010, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I always used the default skin, and I'm perfectly comfortable with it. This happens to just be so good that it doesn't need much change. It's simple to use and, contrary to your statement, very presentable. Don't make things complex if they don't need to be. Websites tend to change themselves way too much nowadays (look at YouTube for a horrid example), and I've always admired Wikimedia Foundation sites for how little they've changed over time in comparison. I don't like to have to feel Internet nostalgia-frustration. Good interfaces/layouts need to stay; modern companies/organizations often make the mistake of making things "newer" just for the mere sake of making them newer... Not all changes are improvements. PseudoSkull (talk) 11:22, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. I find Wiktionary very usable and always have. I think the barebones feel of Wiktionary makes it look more professional, not less. I really don't like using dictionary.com for that reason. Not to mention that the interface here is very similar to Wikipedia, which no one seems to have a problem with. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 16:16, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
@PseudoSkull: Thanks for weighing in. I agree that YouTube's interface is bad, I think all powerusers of YouTube do. But I disagree with pretty much everything else.
I would also not favour changing Wiktionary, just for the sake of changing it/making it newer. I am proposing small changes here and there, that help Wiktionary users find and read definitions more easily. I should put more effort into what changes I am actually talking about, perhaps that would be more convincing. I might do a small YouTube series with short 1 min videos to explain my suggestions.
"I think the barebones feel of Wiktionary makes it look more professional, not less."
I'm a big fan of 'barebone' design. I think should make it much more barebone :).
Amin (talk) 12:54, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Thinking about it, the best thing to do would be to use the new features of HTML5/CSS to separate the wiki's content completely from its presentation, allowing old-skool expert users to have a minimal text-based view and newbies to have pretty pictures, but all based on the same markup. Equinox 21:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
The markup that you like isn't parseable enough to make that possible, without adding a bunch more structure that you would probably hate. DTLHS (talk) 22:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
When I say "based on the same markup" I mean they could use the same underlying markup, not that it has to be the same as what we already have now. That probably wouldn't happen with a redesign by a marketing/visuals-focused person. (Anyway Wikimedia has its own design team I suppose! They do fix stuff sometimes...) Equinox 19:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
I beg to differ. Perhaps you think it needs more pictures of monkeys? SemperBlotto (talk) 12:53, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you (& etymology database?)[edit]

Thank you for creating a great site. Wikitionary has helped me not only learn German, but I frequently use it to quench my etymological curiosity. It is very helpful! It might be a lot of work to implement, but an etymological database available for download would be great! :)

Thanks. What sort of "database" would you want, in terms of file format and content? How would you use it? Equinox 19:41, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Foreign word of the day: doctor[edit]

That has to be my favorite entry—the timing was so perfect! Love, a Who fan.

Feature suggestion (since I just went to look and saw that today's word is cirque, not doctor): it would be nice to be able to "click through" the words from one day to the next, maybe with Previous/Next arrows. We have the archive but it requires digging through specific months. Equinox 20:30, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
@Equinox: OK, how about this? (You may need to refresh the page.) — SGconlaw (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Hmmm, it only works on the Main Page, and not elsewhere (e.g., at "Wiktionary:Word of the day/July 8" if today is not 8 July. Back to the drawing board. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
When I click "yesterday" it does take me to the previous day's word but I can't then go back further because the "yesterday" link on the newly loaded page is unclickable text. But it's a start! Equinox 22:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
@Equinox: I figured out what I did wrong. It now works as it should. — SGconlaw (talk) 16:27, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
😕 OP, I checked the archives of both the foreign and English words of the day for July and June and I didn't see doctor anywhere. Dyspeptic skeptic (talk) 18:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

sukuinage[edit]

Mostly just wondering why there isn't a link to the Japanese in a case like this. Pretty unlikely that most people will need the Romaji version of the term. Shanen (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Shanen: Thanks. I've created the Japanese entry. Please let us know if there are other similar missing entries. Wyang (talk) 10:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Probably everything in Category:en:Sumo. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Appendix:Glossary[edit]

The example given for subjunctive_mood is grammatically incorrect.

Can you elaborate? It is an elliptic sentence, but that does not mean it is incorrect. Other than that, I don’t see any grammatical issues.  --Lambiam 19:41, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion: Wiktionary's search input should be 'autofocussed'[edit]

I explain my suggestion in this very short YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLm9msZa0Iw

It is simple to implement: just add "autofocus" to the HTML <input> tag.

Imagine the millions of times people have moved their mouse to click the input field.

By implementing this simple suggestion, we can save Wiktionary users a combined lifetime worth of useless moving/clicking.

Amin (talk) 13:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, although maybe the cursor should be focused on the big search box in the middle of the page instead. In the meantime, registered users can go to their "Preferences" page, click on "Gadgets", and select "Focus the cursor in the search bar on loading the Main Page". — SGconlaw (talk) 17:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Sgconlaw: That's great. Is there any reason this isn't enabled by default? Amin (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea, really. (Also, you might want to post technical suggestions like this at "Wiktionary:Grease pit". There are more tech savvy users participating in discussions there.) — SGconlaw (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Nah that breaks the PgDown key. Equinox 17:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Also, it scrolls the page to the search box, even if I am visiting a link halfway down, like eat#Latin, so I can't see my target content. Equinox 17:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I think Amin's suggestion is that this only be done for the Main Page. — SGconlaw (talk) 17:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Equinox: How does it break the Page Down key? And even if it does, sometimes one user has to suffer for the benefit of thousands. Since we can only please some of the people, some of the time, we should please the biggest group of users.
Also, in my proposed solution (adding "autofocus" to <input>) it should not auto-scroll anywhere.
Amin (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
You are not thousands of people. Autofocusing on a search box only makes sense if that search box is the primary element on the page. That is nowhere near what we have. DTLHS (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Sgconlaw: Actually, perhaps it would be apply it to every page, unless that breaks something else of course. Amin (talk) 20:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

aller les bleus aller french translation[edit]

https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Wiktionary:Feedback&action=edit&section=new&preload=Wiktionary:Feedback%2Fpreload&editintro=Wiktionary:Feedback%2Fintro&preloadtitle=%5B%5B%3Aaller%20les%20bleus%20aller%20french%20meeting%5D%5D#

Presumably this is meant to be Allez les Bleus !.  --Lambiam 19:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Word of the day: champagne[edit]

🍾 Champagne 🥂 for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends!
Anyway, what would the word of the day have been had Croatia won?
P.S. Tomorrow is World Emoji Day. Can the word of the day be changed to pay tribute? --173.129.172.76 01:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

It would have been slivovitz, now set for 8 October 2018. — SGconlaw (talk) 01:25, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
OK, the Word of the Day for 17 July 2018 is emoji. — SGconlaw (talk) 17:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Splendid! 🙏 --173.129.33.64 00:42, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
On Wikipedia, the consensus amongst champagne-quaffing editors appears to be that the designation “champagne” for the French AOC wine is a proper noun, and its consequent capitalization is promoted with some fervour. See for example User talk:Agne27/Archive 9#Champagne or champagne?. The French Wikipédistes seem not to have the same qualms, as their article on Champagne (AOC) freely calls it champagne, with a miniscule c. Do we have any feelings about this as Guardians of the Wiktionarian Purety?  --Lambiam 21:57, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Depends on usage. However, it is really hard to tell which form of "champagne" is referred to, as most authors do not specify this. Happy hunting for quotations. — SGconlaw (talk) 22:35, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Word of the day: champagne[edit]

From what I understand, definition 3 is incorrect. Any sparkling white wine is not champagne, unless it is made in that region of France. It must be called sparkling wine and is illegal to label it otherwise in the USA. —This unsigned comment was added by 74.10.45.178 (talk) at 01:17, 17 July 2018‎.

Sense 3 is not incorrect, it is an informal usage, as indicated by the "informal" label. Like many other dictionaries, Wiktionary records common usage rather than prescribes what is or is not correct. Also, the usage note explains that if the word is used to refer to sparkling wine for the purposes of sale, this is a breach of trademark law in many countries. — SGconlaw (talk) 17:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Special:Search[edit]

Is it true that the origin of the word, came from a teenager(T. Ford) in glendale, california in 1969, who told his friend, "Some fucktard hit his head on the diving board and they closed the whole swimming pool?"

The origin of what word? —Stephen (Talk) 00:02, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Presumably f******d? — SGconlaw (talk) 03:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Announcement![edit]

Thanks for Wikimedia Foundation! The English Wiktionary is so good! I hope that Wiktionary can add more words. Especially Ancient Greek words. —This unsigned comment was added by 221.219.155.240 (talk) at 10:26, 24 July 2018‎.

Suggestion for Word of the Day[edit]

sate#Etymology_3 — see https://www.mediaite.com/online/twitter-hits-white-house-for-united-sates-typo/ --184.248.141.247 20:50, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

þeir[edit]

Does þeir also apply to mixed-gender or gender unspecific groups? It would be helpful to have this information explicitly in the article. Thanks! --Stilfehler (talk) 00:34, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

No, þeir mean men only. For men and women, use þau. —Stephen (Talk) 19:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

August 2018[edit]

Foreign word of the day: Liibli[edit]

I believe the equivalent word (sense 1) in US English is undershirt, not undershort. --184.248.220.83 00:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

gusset[edit]

picture please

Database for language technology[edit]

Hi!

I have this idea that wiktionary should be a great dictionary for language technology. Especially for two things. Spell checking and word class tagging. I wonder if you got wiktionary in a form that would support these two concepts in a better way, less taxing on your servers and my client, than parsing the HTML?

Thanks in advance, Jonathan

What format would you need? Dumps are available in XML. Equinox 11:17, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

klaxon[edit]

Isn't this word outdated or archaic in the U.S.? --173.129.16.209 01:05, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

In the sense of "car horn", but not in the sense of an alarm, AFAIK. Maybe it should be split into two definitions? Andrew Sheedy (talk) 03:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't think more than a relative very few Americans use it for an alarm, either. (If it's still used in the military, I wouldn't know.) --184.248.121.203 18:01, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Frequency lists/TV/2006/1001-2000[edit]

1538 doin should be doin'

Wiktionary:Frequency lists/TV/2006/1001-2000[edit]

^never mind

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Frequency_lists/TV/2006/explanation addresses this

Wiktionary:Requested entries[edit]

what does in a die pedworth pink in a die tree —This unsigned comment was added by 2a02:c7d:bf0a:8100:b57b:4eba:2c29:553c (talk).

the apple does not fall far from the tree[edit]

Hi!

The entry for the Swedish translation does not link to a page, it's red. It would be nice if it would map to the corresponding Swedish page: https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/Äpplet_faller_inte_långt_från_trädet Similar to the entries for the french? I can't se any apparent differences but the capital Ä in the link title and the lower case ä in the link?

That page is on the Swedish Wiktionary, not the English one. Someone would need to create an entry in the English Wiktionary for that Swedish term. Regardless, the translation table also has a "(sv)" link that points to the Swedish edition of Wiktionary instead (and similarly for other languages). SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 22:33, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
For whatever reason, the entry on Swedish Wiktionary is capitalized and ends in a full stop: sv:Äpplet faller inte långt från trädet. —Stephen (Talk) 09:01, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I noticed you guys implemented my suggestion 😍. Thank you! 🙌[edit]

I noticed you guys have implemented my suggestion, to 'autofocus' the input field on the main page, as I outlined here. Excellent!

Is there a special page where I could see some of the decision making? I am just curious to see how the process works.

Thank you and keep up the great work everyeone!

Amin (talk) 03:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

πᾶς[edit]

Hi! Maybe I'm a bit Trumped (deluded) about this fine point in Greek grammar, but in my German textbook the accent in the Attic declension is placed on the ultimate syllable in the masculine and neuter singular: παντός, παντί. Τhis is in part corroborated by Liddell 'n' Scott (A.) But I'm only a beginner. Michael, Düsseldorf

I think you're right. I think the changes may have been entered by @ObsequiousNewt or @Mahagaja. The old templates don't work anymore and I don't understand how the new templates work, so I can't be sure what was done when. I believe the inflections (singular and plural, masc., fem., neut.) should be like this:
nom.sg. = πᾶς — πᾶσᾰ — πᾶν
gen.sg. = παντός — πάσης — παντός
dat.sg. = παντί — πάσῃ — παντί
acc.sg. = πάντᾰ — πᾶσαν — πᾶν
voc.sg. = πᾶς — πᾶσᾰ — πᾶν
nom.pl. = πάντες — πᾶσαι — πάντᾰ
gen.pl. = πάντων — πᾱσῶν — πάντων
dat.pl. = πᾶσι(ν) — πάσαις — πᾶσι(ν)
acc.pl. = πάντᾰς — πάσᾱς — πάντᾰ
voc.pl. = πάντες — πᾶσαι — πάντᾰ —Stephen (Talk) 09:45, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Stephen, thank you for your support and for contributing the declensions! I think this is important as it’s a high-frequency word and learners might get confused. I think I’ll read up on how to edit “grc-adecl“ tables, get an account, and try to implement the changes this weekend. Michael, Düsseldorf

@Erutuon I thought we'd fixed this ages ago. Do you know what happened? Per utramque cavernam 14:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Per utramque cavernam: The accent alternation for monosyllabic third-declension forms was disabled in Module:grc-decl/decl/data (search for "local monosyllabic =") if the stem ends in ντ (nt), because participles have persistent accent (δούς, genitive δόντος, not *δοντός). I'm curious now if this was correct (whether accent-alternating third-declension ντ-stem nominals are less numerous than non-accent-alternating ones).
I was going to suggest a parameter to turn on accent alternation, but here the best solution would be to supply forms manually, because πᾶς (pâs) only has accent alternation in the singular: παντός, παντί, but πᾶσι, πάντων, not *πᾱσί, *παντῶν. — Eru·tuon 19:25, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Erutuon: Thanks! Per utramque cavernam 12:46, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Erutuon! I had just discovered the MGS, MDS etc. workaround when I realized everything had been updated perfectly. Yes, maybe the accentuation switch was abandoned because there are only a few genuine adjectives of this type – in fact, I can’t think of another one. I wouldn’t have expected these Ancient Greek templates to be so technologically advanced, awesome! Michael, Düsseldorf

juvenile[edit]

The audio file is marked "(GA)". Does this stand for General American? I ask because the pronunciation spoken in the audio file is what is shown above it as the Received Pronunciation, not the General American pronunciation. --184.248.34.126 05:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, "GA" stands for General American. Thanks for spotting the error; I've fixed it. — SGconlaw (talk) 13:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome, and thank you. But as an American, I almost always hear other Americans use what Wiktionary has as the Received Pronunciation rather than what it has as the General American pronunciation. --173.129.135.96 02:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
I would have thought that there was quite a big difference between a typical New York accent and RP, but I suppose it depends upon which Americans you listen to. Some have a Wikipedia:Mid-Atlantic accent. Are there other Wiktionary pronunciations that are wrongly labelled? Dbfirs 08:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
The problem here is the last syllable, which I've heard pronounced both ways in the US. The schwa occurs sometimes in attributive use, where the sentence accent is on another word and the syllable gets reduced, as in "/ˈdʒuːvənəl/ delinquent". I almost never hear that pronunciation when the accent is on the word, as in "Don't be so /ˈdʒuːvəˌnaɪl/." The latter sentence would sound almost bizarre to my ear with a schwa in the last syllable. Chuck Entz (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
If the accent you think of as typical of New Yorkers is the one Carroll O'Connor used when he portrayed Archie Bunker in All in the Family, you need to get with the times. Besides, I have something called a television that allows me to hear people from all over the United States.
Anyway, my interest in the pronunciation of juvenile stems from having read something long ago that said that while people (i.e., Americans) pronounce it /⁠ˈ⁠dʒu⁠ː⁠və⁠ˌ⁠naɪl⁠/, the correct pronunciation is /⁠ˈ⁠dʒu⁠ː⁠vənəl⁠/. --173.129.36.168 23:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

copy[edit]

I have noticed that Hollywood has on occasion used the word 'copy' as an affirmative. As an example --A shipmate who is using a firearm shouts to another "Jake, go man the big gun!" Jake shouts back "Copy!!" or perhaps "Copy that!!" and runs off to man the big gun. You are probably much better equipped than I to classify this usage. I mention it only because I am watching "Megalodon" the movie and they reminded me of this usage in their dialog during a fish fighting battle. I am not interested in pursuing this and becoming an editor at this time so if no-one chooses to pursue this usage it will remain unresearched until someone mentions it again. Good Luck —This unsigned comment was added by 2600:1700:b9e0:f820:d042:3444:f2c6:986d (talk) at 06:55, 15 August 2018‎.

It's not an affirmative. It's standard terminology for two-way radio verbal communication, and it means to receive and understand what was just said by the other party. In the example, Jake is acknowledging that he got the message telling him to do something. I'm sure there was an understanding between the two that Jake would drop everything and do what was asked as soon as he heard the request, so it was equivalent to saying he would do it- but only indirectly. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Seems worth documenting under copy, though. — SGconlaw (talk) 03:43, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
It's covered by verb sense 4. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh, verb sense. I kept looking at noun sense 4, wondering what this had to do with "[a] gender-neutral abbreviation for copy boy". :-D — SGconlaw (talk) 06:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Wiktionary talk:Feedback[edit]

1. Suggestions, add search function on IPA search, search for sound based on IPA input. 2. Still many problems and mix-up between Cantonese and chinese. 3. May add in "Konglish" and "Kongtonese" (Hong Kong Cantonese)

eventually[edit]

 THIS WEB IS GREAT. BUT I WONDER WHY IT COULDN'T TURN TO CHINESE PAGE.

plin[edit]

"Plin" appears as an English-usage nonsense word in a 1956 script of "The Goon Show, a British surrealist comedy series written by Spike Milligan. Such nonsense is in the spirit of writers such as Edward Lear and Lewis Carroll. In "The Nadger Plague" an actor playing the part of a footman says "I pray pard your plin, me Lord Seagoon". Goon Show scripts are repeated on BBC radio to the present day and there are individuals alive today who are able to recite the scripts verbatim including silly character voices.