User talk:AmazingJus/2016

μάμμη

Greetings, in diff, the edit summary is added ipa. But you also changed the etymology.

In your previous edit, your edit summary was "before u think about undoing this , check english etomology of mama". That does not leave me exactly confident, frankly. --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:57, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Co tím myslíš?? (What do you mean??) Go to: wiktionary.org/wiki/mama#English/ AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 10:02, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

You can find "mama" in completely unrelated languages all over the world- it's the first speech-like sound that babies can make, and mothers are the most important things in their environment. Names for family members based on baby talk are like onomatopoeia- you shouldn't assume they're inherited if there's no evidence from sound changes. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:27, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Babel

Could you add {{Babel}} to your user page? I'd appreciate it. --Dan Polansky (talk) 10:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Don't ya worry. I'll do this later. B-) AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 11:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Chinese topolectal readings

Hi, where are you getting the topolectal pronunciations from? I'm quite sceptical about them, especially for place names that were borrowed into Chinese. Generally, we don't try to piece together pronunciations of individual characters for topolects (Cantonese being an exception, but must still be done cautiously). Many characters are pronounced differently depending on context. Also, many names borrowed from other languages may not be used in the topolects. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 15:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome to change it; but how are they gonna say proper names with these lects? AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 20:26, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

They could often be different. For example, Beckham is 碧咸 in Cantonese, while it's 貝克漢姆 in Mandarin. In Taiwanese Hokkien/Hakka, people often switch to Mandarin for these "foreign" words. I don't know about Gan, Xiang, Jin and Wu, so I can't say anything about how they handle these proper names. I would advise you to refrain from adding those unless you have some sort of proof. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 20:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@Justinrleung, check 澳大利亞, for example, it has Wu, so what can you say to that? AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 21:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm not say that they aren't used in other topolects. It could be pronounced that way in Shanghainese, but that doesn't mean all words can be treated as such in all topolects. Also, what do you do when there are more than one readings for a character? It's better to have less information than to have potentially wrong information. There aren't any Jin, Xiang or Gan contributors on Wiktionary so far, so all we can do is work with the resources we have. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 21:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

But aren't you a Jin, Xiang & Gan contributor? You add and change the pronunciations of these languages? By the way, where do you get them? Have you got a special dictionary or a friend? And with the multiple readings, decide on the more phonetically corresponding one. AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 21:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

I only contribute with the dictionaries and papers I have. I don't speak these topolects. Remember Wiktionary is not prescriptive, so we need to have evidence that these are actually used by people. We can't just say that because certain readings of characters sound closer, they are the readings to be used. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 21:16, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

(A friendly reminder not to pull readings out of thin air by concatenating the readings found in character entries. —suzukaze (t・c) 18:55, 6 November 2016 (UTC))

Sichuanese Readings

Where did you get the Sichuanese reading for 中華人民共和國? —suzukaze (t・c) 10:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

From here – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 11:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be a Chengdu section at Xiaoxuetang. —suzukaze (t・c) 11:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Make educated guesses with dialects around Sichuan. Like Wuchang – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 11:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Wuchang isn't Chengdu. hua2 is xua21 in Chengdu, xua213 in Wuchang, xua31 in Lingui, and xua21 in Luorong. However, they are all tone "陽平", even in Beijing. Don't rely on the tone numbers. —suzukaze (t・c) 23:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

DON'T make "educated guesses", especially when you aren't absolutely fluent! Remember that Wiktionary is a reference that people use, not a showcase for what amounts to personal conlangs. If we can't trust your judgment, we may have to start reverting your edits in languages we don't know. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz、私がやっていることは「コンラン」だと言って、私を怒られます。（比喩的に、）私が死にたいと思うねえにします。1週間、私をご覧になれません。読んでくれて、ありがとうございます。さようなら。（私の悪い日本語のために、申し訳ありません）– AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 09:35, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

It's nice that you had your tantrum in Japanese, so English speakers don't have to read it (I used Google Translate) ;-p, but it doesn't matter- I stand by what I said. Whenever you guess, you're constructing a term in an artificial language based on the real one. If you're lucky, that language will match the real one, but there's no guarantee. When you're editing a reference work like this, you're making an implicit claim that you know the information you're providing. Guessing makes that claim a lie, whether you realize it or not.

You certainly have a talent for languages, but so have others who ended up being permanently blocked: they insisted on editing in languages they didn't know, without proper use of references, and made too many mistakes. If your talent makes you careless, it becomes more of a handicap than an asset- the faster you go, the more you have to watch where you're going, and the more damage you do when you miss your turn. Chuck Entz (talk) 10:54, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

上海

What kind of microphone/audio recording setup are you using? I've never heard recording quality this poor before... —suzukaze (t・c) 06:34, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Just me using a poor mic, trying to read it. I made several mistakes so I had to piece it together. As long as it still is intelligible, it will be fine :-) – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 06:37, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

But what use does such a recording have? Who would it help? —suzukaze (t・c) 03:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree. How would such a recording help people? Awesomemeeos, unless you really know that your pronunciation is native or near-native, I would advise you not to record Shanghainese. It is most definitely not exemplary for people who want to learn the language. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:47, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

[nei̯¹³ sœːŋ⁵⁵ hɔːi̯²² t͡sɔː³⁵ ŋɔː¹³ kɔː³³ kɐm³⁵ sɐu̯²² kɛː³³] 凸(｀△´＋）– AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 10:07, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I apologize if I have hurt your feelings. You're still awesome (like your name, and thumbs up for your attempts), but I hope that you would spend less time on things that you may not be too sure about and focus on things that would help the project without a doubt. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 22:24, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

That's okay. Nice work cracking the code!! – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 22:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

ពុទ្ធ

I don't write preăhpŭtth, etc., but preah put when adding transcriptions in Khmer entries. Preah put is two words. Module:km-translit is in beta and it is does not do an adequate job because Khmer script is too complex. The module is better than nothing if someone is trying to figure out a Khmer word or phrase, but manual transcription is much better. Please do not remove manual transcriptions. —Stephen ^(Talk) 11:49, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

UNGEGN

Please don't use UNGEGN. Or if you do, then you will have to do all existing Khmer words and phrases personally, as well as all new additions. And then many of the words that you change to that system will have incorrect pronunciations, since Khmer words are frequently pronounced differently than spelled. Many Khmer words have multiple pronunciations. For example, នាសនង្គ can be pronounced either /niesa’naŋkea’/ or /niesa’naŋ/. ភិក្ខុ can be pronounced /pʰɨk/, /pʰikkʰu’/, or /pʰikkʰo’/. មហា can be pronounced either /mɔhaa/ or /mea’haa/. Also, the glottal stop, a very common consonant in speech, is usually unwritten. In addition, since no one else uses that, it will have a chilling effect on all new Khmer translations, since you're the only one who is familiar with that system. —Stephen ^(Talk) 10:45, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

How do you know about the optional glottal stops and syllables for words? Do you have a dictionary concerning these variables? What do you mean by a 'chilling effect'? – AWESOME meeos ！ ＊ （「欺负」我） 10:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

When you learn Khmer words, you have to learn the spelling as well as the pronunciation, including glottal stops. Some dictionaries indicate the glottal stops and some don't, and various transcription systems are used to show pronunciation. As far as I know, every transcription system for Khmer has shortcomings, and UNGEGN certainly is not accurate, even for those who know how to pronounce the UNGEGN spellings (and few know how to pronounce UNGEGN at all). The Cambodian-English Glossary by Franklin E. Huffman is helpful for the beginner. By chilling effect, I mean that if an editor can't use your system, he probably won't add any more Khmer translations. I would not contribute translations if I could not manage the transcription system. The system I use indicates glottal stops and it is easier to read since it is close to IPA (but I use /b/ and /d/ instead of /ɓ/ and /ɗ/, since /b/ is always pronounced /ɓ/, and so on, and ’ instead of ʔ, and y instead of j), and a lot of people are already familiar with IPA. If you want to use UNGEGN, you will probably be the only editor who can work in Khmer, so you should study the language and become familiar with it. You can find some good resources at Amazon. Also, this book with CDs would be helpful. —Stephen ^(Talk) 11:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I suspect Awesomemeeos can't read Khmer and is simply relying on the automatic transliteration (with some tweaks) developed by Wyang, which produces UNGEGN. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 12:28, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Really?

@Atitarev Did you make this edit because of my user page? XD – AWESOME meeos ！ * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 13:58, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, any edit I make gets added to my watchlist. So, your user page is on my watchlist as well. I noticed a Chinese word that I wasn't sure about that's why I added some translations, not to please you, ha-ha. Your edits are on my radar too. You keep playing with Wiktionary, users and their time and patience and your own reputation. Despite what Vahagn says, I won't hesitate to tell you about my observations and suspicions and may block you if you violate the rules or become a burden to regular editors. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 15:52, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Atitarev What rules have I violated and how should I avoid it? – AWESOME meeos ！ * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 20:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Removing October translation requests

Hi Justin, don't forget to archive when you remove old requests. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 05:47, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@Justinrleung Oops. Sorry Justin. 我下次会做。– AWESOME meeos ！ * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 05:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Removing November and December requests

In this edit, you removed two months before their time. We always maintain the last three months, which means the Requests page should be displaying November, December, and January (plus new requests in February as they are added). That's why we only archive a single month at a time. —Stephen ^(Talk) 00:14, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Stephen G. Brown, if you want to know why I removed November and December like that, it is because of what the 2016 archives said: Wiktionary:Translation requests/archive/2016 (January–December). I wanted it to be true to its word – AWESOME meeos ！ * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 00:23, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

In May when we archive the January requests, the archive will be named Wiktionary:Translation requests/archive/2017 (January–December). We gradually fill it a month at a time. —Stephen ^(Talk) 00:38, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos, you have the Russian words «не нажми́те здесь» in your signature. You can't use a perfective imperative in the negative. It is considered so insulting that it is actually ungrammatical. You should use «не нажима́йте сюда́» instead. —Stephen ^(Talk) 15:17, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Stephen G. Brown  Done (by the way, no need to ping me on my user page. I already get notified.) — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 20:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Stephen G. Brown Thanks, I didn't bother correcting because he seems just practising. I wouldn't call it "insulting", just unnatural. Perfective/imperfective distinction is known to be the hardest feature for learners of Slavic languages. Even between Slavs there may not be enough intuitiveness. @Awesomemeeos, perhaps you shouldn't expose sentences you're not fluent with until they are verified? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 21:50, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Stephen G. Brown, Atitarev: 我告诉你们，我没有生命。 — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 21:55, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Difference between 生命 and 生活 (both mean "life"): 生命 = life/existence/being alive, 生活 = life/everyday life. 我沒有生命 = I'm dead. There is no direct translation for "I have no life" in Chinese; you have to say "我的生活很無趣" or "我沒事情做". Wyang (talk) 10:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

скучно

I noticed a message on the top of your user page. The grammar is incorrect. Pls see the entry, it has a usex. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:01, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done — AWESOME meeos ！ * (chōmtī hao /t͡ɕoːm˩˧.tiː˩˧ haw˦˥/) 22:23, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Re: various reverts of anon-added etymologies

• Special:Diff/42352244/42357922
• Special:Diff/42353291/42357522
• Special:Diff/42103017/42357789

None of these should have been removed so quickly IMO; each of these edits is more or less correct (I can't vouch for the etymology of клонить but it seems like a start; the source - if the information is indeed in the source given - is legitimate, if dated), especially the latter two diffs here shown. It would have been more constructive and less abrasive to this anon editor (whose edits seem to be in good faith and fairly well-informed) to simply reformat them to be more in line with Wiktionary standards (as you did here) instead of removing them altogether (resulting in a loss of useful content). The "load of unformatted headstrainers" at клонить especially is not that much of a headstrainer at all for people who know what they're looking at, and was actually reasonably well formatted, though it would've been better with the proper templates of course (I've edited it since). Please be more restrained with these reverts in the future, or refer to WT:ES if you're not sure about something. — Kleio (t · c) 17:35, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

@KIeio: Will do next time. Thanks for reformatting as well! — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажми́те здесь [nʲɪ‿nɐʐˈmʲi.tʲe zʲdʲesʲ]) 20:03, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

The French on your user page

Just a note about that French sentence on your user page: "adicté" is not a word in French, and don't forget that adjectives follow nouns! I think a better way of phrasing that part of your sentence would be "un fan obsédé" or something similar (but I'm not a native speaker, so there may be an even more natural way of saying it). Andrew Sheedy (talk) 10:16, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

We'll wait and see — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 10:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, adicté isn't a word in French, but you could instead use the expression "être addict de", obviously a borrowing from English. Alternatively you could say "être un fan inconditionnel de" (formal) or "être accroc à" (colloquial). Julien Daux (talk) 16:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

prendre

Did you notice the pronunciation before you changed it? This word (and its derivations) are sort of an anomaly; the first "r" is actually not pronounced. Not sure what the business was with that final optional schwa though. Either way, we can't use the pronunciation template in all cases. Also I don't know your source on ambiguous "o"s and "e"s, but I recommend [1]. Ultimateria (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Ultimateria:, I did notice the pronunciation. But I didn't know that the 'r' was actually optional. I just thought it was a colloquial pronunciation — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 00:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

BTW, is puntet correct? — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 00:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I believe so. Ultimateria (talk) 10:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

@Ultimateria: I infer the ambiguous o's and e's from Catalan wiki, or if there are western and eastern dialects from English wiki. Sometimes I have to take a guess and therefore will go to Category:Catalan terms needing attention. Hope this clarifies a few mysteries — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 01:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

"The revision on the right is the atrocious one"

Are you sure? That's your revision. Equinox ◑ 23:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

@Equinox: Whoops! — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 23:54, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Module Errors

Whatever the previous state of the formatting, a module error is worse. It renders the content unreadable and is alarming to site visitors. Deliberately leaving a page like that borders on vandalism. If I hadn't reverted you, I have no reason to believe that you wouldn't just continue doing that- I had to get your attention. Also, your "upgrade" left it with {{etyl}}, which is poor practice, if not worthy of a revert in itself. As for fixing it myself, I was doing the research necessary for a more complete reworking of the etymologies, but you undid my revert before I had the chance. As for the rest of your edit comment: those are some of the oddest things to put in an edit comment I've seen in quite a while. I've given you a time out so you can cool off. Chuck Entz (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: You're not cooling me off; you just made me more angry ಠ_ಠ. Like I said, I have mental issues. Now what can I do? Please unblock me. I don't have anything else to do. Australians can get quite angry sometimes. If you unblock me now, we both don't have to suffer — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 00:03, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz: It was just a mistake I made. I was only trying to help. Instead of blocking to everything else, why don't you just block me for that page? There are many other beneficial things I can do, like using {{ca-IPA}} in replacement of manual IPA for Cataln entries. — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 00:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Working on a wiki requires getting along with other people, and some compromises. You need to learn to relax and take things in stride if you're going to accomplish anything around here. Your block should be over by now. Enjoy the rest of your day. Chuck Entz (talk) 01:00, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I get along with other people in Wiktionary quite well. They may revert my edits; and if they tell me why, I'll be fine with that. But sometimes, I may not understand straight away. Next time, before one blocks me, they should be reasonable (as you said compromise) and maybe only block me for that page. — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 01:13, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

P.S. I will calm down, relax, and move on if you do something that will make me happy. Why don't you check out my user page? — AWESOME meeos ！ * (не нажима́йте сюда́ [nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 01:13, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Re: rom for スィンドル

See also [[User_talk:Wyang#Help_requested_with_スィンドル]].  :) ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │^{Tala við mig} 17:07, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Recent edits

I can't tell what you're doing, but they look like threats. I'm going to assume that you are in jest, but be reminded that personal attacks and threats are taken seriously here. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Okay. Fine. I will stop. But my mind is kinda stuffed up. You gotta understand; all I want is my autopatrol license. I was so bored. I still ♥️ you all! — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 19:53, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Attack in the style of me! — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 19:59, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Re diff: This is a threat and an ethnic slur. Apparently you can't handle criticism. Do you want a permanent block? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад)

@Atitarev: Fine. You can delete that revision; but like I said, my mind was messed up and you weren't supposed to read that. That was not necessarily directed to you, but to another enemy in real life. I'm so sorry if you thought it was to you. I may just take a break on Wiktionary for 2–5 days — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([nʲɪ‿nəʐɨˈmajtʲe sʲʊˈda]) 20:24, 19 March 2017 (UTC)