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긴 한국어 낱말[edit]

If Google Translate (Korean to Japanese; I hear that it's fairly accurate) is right this just means "long Korean words". —suzukaze (tc) 05:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Removing "arf caru"[edit]

I've removed # {{l|cy|arf caru|arf}}({{l|cy|arfau caru|au}}) {{l|cy|arf caru|caru}} from the queue; it's Welsh for "weapon of love" (the plural arfau caru being "weapons of love"), a phrase which gets next to no Google hits, no mention in the University of Wales Dictionary, and probably doesn't mean anything more than what it seems to. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 19:16, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

@Aɴɢʀ: It has an idiomatic meaning. An arf caru is like a love spoon, but, rather than being wooden, it is made of iron. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:07, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Evidence? Google Books has nothing. Regular Google has one hit for the singular and one hit for the plural, neither of which is durably archived. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: The hit for the plural is in the right sense. The one for the singular translates to "fisting … The act of using a fist (and arm, if it stretches that far) as a love weapon.", in which arf caru is akin to the English love truncheon. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Still, that makes one single hit—in a non-durably archived source—for the word. Not enough to warrant an entry. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:48, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: Pfft. Well, I know it's a thing. One day, CFI-satisfying evidence will turn up to prove that. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:51, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

oligotropical [sic][edit]

@SemperBlotto: Re your addition to the list of oligotropical [sic], I've added the only Google Book Search hit for that word to Citations:oligotropical, which use is indubitably an error for oligotrophic (I've added the correct form of the cited work to Citations:oligotrophic). Can you cite any uses of *oligotropical that aren't errors for oligotrophic or oligotrophical? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 17:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

No, that looks good. The word was in one of Visviva's lists - quite rich in misspellings. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
I've added the citation, but it might not be formatted very well. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
@SemperBlotto: Tweaked. I don't know why that article spells the words oligotrophic and *oligotropical. I can't detect a difference in meaning, but it's weird that the article doesn't feature *oligotropic or oligotrophical. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:06, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it looks deliberate. That's why I originally added the word to this list. SemperBlotto (talk) 20:10, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
@SemperBlotto: Yes, I can see why. If it is deliberate, I can't define the word. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 20:14, 22 July 2015 (UTC)


@I'm so meta even this acronym I'm removing your request for "E.l.c." which you sourced to the Liddell-Scott-Jones Greek dictionary because in my paper edition of LSJ, the entry in question says "ῑ in Hom.; ῐ in Att., Eur. l.c.", which confirms my suspicion that "E.l.c." in the edition used at Perseus is just "E." = "Euripides" + "l.c." = "loc. cit.". —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 18:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@Aɴɢʀ: Yeah, that's great, thanks for looking into it; that totally stumped me! — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Adding orange links[edit]

The first sentence is "This is a list of red links", and that's true, it is. But does it have to be? Is there any rule against adding orange links here, i.e. entries that exist for other languages, but not for the one requested? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

@Aɴɢʀ: What's an orange link meant to look like? A link to a page with any content always looks blue to me. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:49, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
@I'm so meta even this acronym If you go to Special:Preferences and select the Gadgets tab and scroll down to User interface gadgets, you can select OrangeLinks. This will turn links orange when the page exists but not in the language linked to. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: That is the first I've known about that. How well known is this gadget amongst the editing community? I suspect not very. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
Actually I think it is. You're the first regular editor I've seen who hasn't immediately known what orange links are when someone mentions them. This page itself mentions them, though it calls them yellow rather than orange. Anyway, whether your links are orange, yellow, or blue isn't the point; the point is, is it OK to add a wanted entry to this list when the entry is there but not in the wanted language? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 22:03, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I've always thought this page would be to request redlinks only. Shouldn't we just keep using "Requested entries (xxxxx)" to request for xxxxx-language entries specifically? This is the specific suggestion in the page now, but sure, it could be changed if people want. Then again, I was one of the people who had written/rewritten part of this page with this kind of use in mind. (back in the day the terms were just [[...]] without language codes)
Also, I've seen cases where people ask here for terms in language X, then it gets defined in language Y, then it [the request] gets deleted by someone else. Until now, I've found that to be normal. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ, Daniel Carrero: Maybe I was uniquely ignorant. Nevertheless, I’d favour additions to this page being restricted to red links. Even in those cases where I’ve added terms in language X which have subsequently been defined in language Y, I have never objected to the terms then being removed, and I have oftentimes even removed them myself. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
The sentence "Yellow links, which indicate that an entry exists but not for that particular language, should not be removed." was added in this diff from 17 August 2015. It kind of contradicts the beginning of the page, i.e. "This is a list of red links."
Can we revert that edit per this discussion? (I don't mind if people come to decide to keep orange links in the list, but as said above by me and I.S.M.E.T.A., that would be a substantial change to what we seem to have been doing for years, that is, deleting all blue/orange links and keeping this page strictly with red links only.) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:51, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero: I'm in favour of that reversion, despite being newly enthralled to this OrangeLinks gadget. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I, too, am newly enthralled with that gadget after it was mentioned in this discussion.
Maybe @Angr would like to give an opinion on the reversion too? Also, I've called @CodeCat, since she's the author of the edit I'd like to revert. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I think orange links should be considered unfulfilled requests. I don't understand the arguments given that "Requested entries" pages should be used for language-specific links. If this page isn't for requesting terms, then what is it for? Of course the language of the term matters; that's what the requester specified the language for in the first place. If I request a Spanish entry I wouldn't want to see an Italian one created and then have people call that "request fulfilled". It's not, because the entry I actually asked for still isn't there. —CodeCat 21:44, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
@CodeCat: Yes, that would be a request whose intention remained unfulfilled, but if you would then still want a Spanish entry, then add a request to WT:RE:es, because this is a page for red links. If we could add orange links to this page, then what would be the point of all the language-specific requests pages? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Meta (which is easier to type than the actual user name or punctuated acronym). Not to mention that the list is increasingly long as it is, with only red links; it would potentially become much longer if it allowed orange links. And if we did allow them, since not everyone has orange links enabled, many would be unable to make the necessary distinction to properly remove links from the list. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I reverted the description back to the "red links only" version. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 03:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero: Thank you. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't really have a strong opinion on whether this list should contain orange links or not. I just wanted to request texas#Norwegian after Facebook went nuts over it, but then someone added it before I got around to requesting it, so the point became moot. But I did notice that if it hadn't already been created and I had requested it, it would have been the only orange link on the page, so I thought I'd better ask. I admit I sort of forgot about the language-specific requests pages, which can also hold red links, of course, so there's already a good deal of overlap between those pages and this one. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 05:26, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
One drawback to the way this page is organized is that with redlinks, it's impossible to see which language is being requested without opening the edit box of WT:Wanted entries and looking. If I wanted to create a page for the current top word on the list, тиште, I'd have no way of knowing which Cyrillic-script language was being requested unless I actually opened up this page and looked at the text to see what code follows {{l}}. And some requests are made with bare links, so there's absolutely no way to know. I'm not sure how to fix that, but it's something that's bothered me for a long time. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 05:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
I have one idea that is not quite what you complained but is kind of related: Maybe someone could use JavaScript to make buttons like "Show only: English - German - Russian - " etc. That seems doable. I don't know about other people, but I'd use that if it were available. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 03:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero: That sounds like a reasonable idea, but bear in mind that there are very many languages represented in the current wanted-entries list (of the mere eight terms currently in the active list, two are Ancient Greek: grc, two are Mari: chm, one is Middle English: enm, one is Turkish: tr, and two are undetermined: und — that's at least four languages), so the list of language buttons may get very long indeed. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 21:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @I'm so meta even this acronym: It's true that the list of language buttons could get very long. Maybe we could try something along the lines of this design, a table with 32 language codes:

Show only: en · und

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:52, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: I like it. All it needs is a thin border to box it. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 11:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
@I'm so meta even this acronym: Yes check.svg Done: Except I used separate pages rather than a JavaScript function as proposed. See examples:
--Daniel Carrero (talk) 11:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero: That is excellent. Great job! — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:16, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. :) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:45, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I've attempted a simple solution to the problem of not knowing what language is being requested. Feel free to undo it if you don't like it, or to try a different solution. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Extending the width of the active list[edit]

Can we extend the gray line that limits the width of the active list?

The active list is noticeably smaller than the "Logs – New – Cleanup – Verification – Deletion – Requests – Shortcuts – Vandalism – New editors’ contribs – Patrol Anons" above. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

The ideal is that the "Utilities" and "Wanted" lines be the same length. Feel free to adjust the width of the active list so that those two lines match, but remember to take into account the "(+/-)" that follows the members of the active list in the "Wanted" line. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 23:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --Daniel Carrero (talk) 10:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


This should be Latin, with a self-explanatory meaning, but it just doesn't seem to be sufficiently attested; I can only find one, maybe two cites. @I'm so meta even this acronym, what do you think? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:23, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Μετάknowledge: I've added what I found to Citations:Mediolatinitas; did you see anything else? Those French sources all seem to be discussing a specific project called "Mediolatinitas". I don't know about the German ones. The Latin citation is interesting, because the actual title of Niermeyer's dictionary is Mediae Latinitatis Lexicon Minus; I'm guessing the usual Latin term for Mediaeval Latin is Media Latīnitās. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 02:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@I'm so meta even this acronym: That's more or less it; the specific work is not exactly helpful for independent citations, so I was largely ignoring it. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@Μετάknowledge: The French project or the Latin dictionary? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
The project, given that the lexicon has a different actual name. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@Μετάknowledge: Yes, I thought that's what you meant, but I wanted to make sure. The French project definitely shouldn't get an entry; I suppose that the German and Latin terms simply don't have enough supporting quotations to satisfy WT:CFI. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@Μετάknowledge: Still, Latin is a low-documentation language, so I suppose I could create an entry for the Latin term. What do you think? Should I create the Latin entry, or just remove the request? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:40, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
@I'm so meta even this acronym: I would remove the request, personally. As for the LDL status... that's complicated. We've had the tradition here of only treating extinct languages as LDLs if citations come from when they were actually spoken, but I think that really ought to be codified in a vote. (If you have further opinions on this, please start a thread on WT:T:ALA, my talkpage, or somewhere else more appropriate than this venue.) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 20:22, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
@Μετάknowledge: I don't agree with that restriction. IMO, LDL status should apply to Latin pre-New Latin, because before then there isn't all that much of it (i.e., there is little documentation of it). But regardless, 1979 is about six centuries too late, so that difference of opinion has no impact on Mediolatīnitās. Still, we have Mediolatīnus. I'll go remove “Mediolatinitas” from the list now. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

ja-l bug[edit]

Minor bug: Currently, Wiktionary:Wanted entries/ja is not listing terms that use {{ja-l}}. Sorry, I'm not sure how exactly I'd fix that in the regex, so I won't try fixing it right now, maybe later.

The quickest way to fixing this problem would be converting all uses of {{ja-l}} into {{l|ja}}. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

The whole point of {{ja-l}} is to provide Japanese-specific features not available in {{l|ja}}. Converting everything back would be a step backward. --WikiTiki89 20:44, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
You're gonna have to special-case it, since {{ja-l|縄抜け|なわぬけ|nawanuke}} generates a link to both 縄抜け and なわぬけ. --WikiTiki89 20:47, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm still thinking how could I accomplish that in the code of the module. I've thought of a quick fix, but being a kludge, all uses of {{l|ja}} would be listed above all uses of {{ja-l}} in Wiktionary:Wanted entries/ja. If all Japanese wanted entries use only {{ja-l}}, no one will notice a thing. But I'll try to think of something better. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:40, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Actually, looking at the code, it should be pretty easy. Instead of using gmatch, just iterate through the list line by line, and match each line individually to as many regular expressions as you want. --WikiTiki89 00:33, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Let me know if you want me to do it for you. --WikiTiki89 00:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Please do it, I'd appreciate it. That was the first module I ever created except for sandbox stuff that I never actually used, so I'm still learning. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:42, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --WikiTiki89 01:25, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 01:28, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

"Don't remove links for entries you define."[edit]

Currently, it is written in italic:

Don't remove links for entries you define.

I suggest changing it to (non-italic):

Avoid removing links for entries you define.

Reason: I defined a few entries, I want to remove all bluelinks. I have no problem with giving people a little time to review new entries, but we should relax that rule and allow people to delete links they defined sometimes. (Plus, in all likelihood, a person who defined some entries has their attention on WT:WE at the moment, he/she may be the only person available to delete links, who knows.) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:54, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Things that don't pass muster[edit]

Someone (Equinox?) opined once before that some people (including Wonderfool) seem to use this list to try to get people to create entries which are very borderline or outright don't pass muster. I just removed two rare misspellings of surreptitious, for example, since per CFI we don't include rare misspellings. (One of them had a total of one insufficient hit suggesting a syrup-related sense.) If you want such a borderline entry to be created, first demonstrate that it meets CFI. - -sche (discuss) 20:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I really should have double-checked those "syrup-titious" things before putting them in the active list. Sorry about that. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
No worries, I'm not faulting you (sorry if it seemed like I was!), but addressing whoever added them to WT:WE in the first place. - -sche (discuss) 23:06, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes, it was I. Part of the problem is that this page (unlike WT:REE) doesn't have space for people to add notes about what they have found or not found, etc., though I sometimes add them in HTML comments in the source, which will be visible to anyone editing the page. Equinox 23:09, 18 February 2016 (UTC)


This is now at the Active list. Does a German name for a Prague district which even in the German Wikipedia is a redirect to the Czech name (click Smichow) merit an entry here? (And no, we don't have the Czech name as an entry either. Should we?) --Droigheann (talk) 06:51, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

  • "all words in all languages" SemperBlotto (talk) 06:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
    Thanks, I know that's the motto, but considering Utopia was nominated for deletion and currently seems to be in for turning into a redirect I thought I'd better ask where we stand on placenames. --Droigheann (talk) 16:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
@Droigheann, SemperBlotto: I've just created the Czech, English, and German entries. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:01, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
We don't have any limit on how large a place needs to be to warrant an entry here. I would be opposed to deleting Prag, Warschau, and Moskau, and any cutoff between Prag and Smichow would be arbitrary, so I guess it merits an entry here. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 18:49, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

theremogene – cakravārtin – immissio membri – Gale’s Lump[edit]

I'm not sure if any of these would meet CFI in English. DTLHS (talk) 04:22, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Theremogene appears to be a one-off error for Thermogene, which I have created. Equinox 13:03, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


I've created the verb form ausführte (lower-case), but I'm removing Ausführte (upper-case) because AFAICT this word is never a noun. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 12:25, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


@I'm so meta even this acronym: do you remember where you found the supposedly English word gueu? I can't find anything on Google Books except the Ivorian surname "Gueu Gbe" and some word in a now obsolete orthography of Breton ([1]). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 12:46, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Aɴɢʀ: Sorry, it's French, not English; an early form of gueux. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 19:13, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@I'm so meta even this acronym: OK, thanks. Could you take a look at Wiktionary:Wanted entries/en and Wiktionary:Wanted entries/und and see if there are any other requests of yours that need a different language code? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 20:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: Yes, sure. Unfortunately, however, I no longer have an Internet connection at home, so this is likely to take me quite a while. I'll start with the thirty-six in Wiktionary:Wanted entries/und before moving on to the English ones. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 12:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


I'm removing this term because Google doesn't get any hits at all except this very page. If it exists, it means kernicterus in a premature infant, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of its existence online. If anyone finds cites, please add them to Citations:Frühgeburtskernikterus first. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:15, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

@Aɴɢʀ: I've added one for the plural form of an alternative spelling, Frühgeburtskernicteri, to Citations:Frühgeburtskernikterus. Note that there's a scanno in the text layer generated by Google Books; it thinks that the term there is *Frühgeburtskernictcri. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 12:27, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

The punctuation mark ߷[edit]

This character (U+07F7) is used only in the N'Ko language (which has no ISO code). It visually represents three stones that hold a cooking-pot over a fire, and is used as punctuation to end major sections of text. It's called gbakurunen. Does that give someone enough information to create a valid entry? Equinox 13:47, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

@Equinox, Angr: So, should this get a Translingual language section as a punctuation mark in the N'Ko script? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I was wrong about it not being a language. There is a koine compromise dialect of several Manding languages called N'Ko and its code is nqo. N'Ko script is used for it, but also for other languages. If ߷ is used in more than one language, it should be tagged as Translingual. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
@Equinox, Angr: How's this? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 14:07, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Unciteable Greek words, I think[edit]

I don't speak Greek, but FWIW these words are in the active list and have 0 results in Google Books, Google Groups and Google Scholar. Let me know if I should have searched elsewhere (?).

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 19:16, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I won't object to their removal. Neither one is in LSJ. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
@Daniel Carrero, Angr: Σχημᾰτομετρίᾱ (Skhēmatometríā) is the supposed Ancient Greek etymon of the Latin schēmatometria; however, ObsequiousNewt suspects that the Latin word was formed in Latin from Greek elements, and not borrowed preformed. Οὐϊκετία (Ouïketía) is mentioned in William Smith’s Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography (1854) s.v.VICENTIA”. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 15:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. See here for said discussion. —ObsequiousNewt (εἴρηκα|πεποίηκα) 18:46, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Pace Daniel Carrero and Aɴɢʀ, I've readded Οὐϊκετία (Ouïketía) to the list. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 13:41, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

That's fine. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 18:19, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Designer glasses?[edit]

There is a request for designer glasses. Does this phrase have some idiomatic meaning, or is it just SOP [[designer]] + [[glasses]], i.e. glasses created by a fashion designer? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

SOP, actually. Removed. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 10:18, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


What is "Fomba"? I don't see any evidence that it is or was ever a taxonomic name. DTLHS (talk) 01:57, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Apparently Fomba is a surname in some language. I don't know if it's a rare surname, and I don't know what language. Some Wikipedia pages like w:United Nations Security Council Resolution 1200 have people with the surname Fomba, and some books in Google Books also mention people with that surname. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
It's from Africa, and a given name as well as a surname; I'm seeing Liberia, Cameroon and Mali in a Google search. Equinox 02:18, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


Transliteration of a Georgian word, commonly included in "untranslatable words" lists. DTLHS (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Already created, please see შემომეჭამა (šemomeč̣ama) (correct transliteration). --ReordCræft (talk) 09:34, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Removing "yr euog a ffu heb neb yn eu herlid"[edit]

I'm removing yr euog a ffu heb neb yn eu herlid, as it's ungrammatical Welsh, and I can't find evidence of the existence of any of its grammatical alternatives:

  • "yr euog a fu heb neb yn ei erlid" would be "the guilty [man] without anyone persecuting him"
  • "yr euog a fu heb neb yn ei herlid" would be "the guilty [woman] without anyone persecuting her"
  • "yr euogion a fu heb neb yn eu herlid" would be "the guilty ones without anyone persecuting them"

Even if this phrase exists, it's probably understandable from its component parts anyway. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 18:41, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

@Aɴɢʀ: Ffu here is not a misspelling of fu (the soft mutation of bu), but rather a form of the verb ffoaf, ffoi (flee). You're right, however, that it should be spelt …ei erlid (as singular, not plural; my mistake, sorry) as yr euog a ffu heb neb yn ei erlid (the guilty flee unpursued, literally the guilty [one] flees unpursued), which you can see here. It's used to taunt someone being disproportionately and suspiciously defensive in his speech, in a manner similar to the English the lady doth protest too much. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 09:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Hmm, it's still a misspelling or at least a rare byform; the usual 3rd person singular habitual present/future of ffoi is spelled ffy; the proverb with that spelling is attested at [2] and [3]. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 09:31, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: My mistake (again :-(). We have one at Citations:yr euog a ffy heb neb yn ei erlid now; I'll add the other two shortly. — I.S.M.E.T.A. 09:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Well, the mistake is at [4]; that isn't your mistake. But the proverb with the ffy spelling gets 82 hits on all-purpose Google (including one at q:cy:Diarhebion Cymraeg), while the ffu spelling gets only the one hit you already linked to. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 09:53, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: Well, at least we've found the form that should be the lemma. Thanks for all the corrections. God, I'm shit sometimes… — I.S.M.E.T.A. 09:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
I've now created yr euog a ffy heb neb yn ei erlid. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
@Aɴɢʀ: That’s great; thanks. I’ve also added the other two quotations. ‛Slookin’ good! — I.S.M.E.T.A. 19:33, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Feeling some type/kind of way[edit]

@Equinox, I don't think this sounds SOP at all; if it were, I wouldn't have any trouble understanding what it means, which I do. Consider "My head was banging, my heart was beating fast, and I was feeling some type of way." From the context it seems to mean "feeling bad" or "feeling peculiar" or something, but that isn't obvious from the words feeling + some + type + of + way, at least not to me. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 08:22, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I've never heard that. I just assumed it was the literal SoP meaning, since SoPs are often added here. Equinox 08:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

added sugar[edit]

@Daniel Carrero: Isn't this just [[added]] [[sugar]]? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 12:49, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Oops! Apparently, yes. I also checked w:Added sugar to make sure. Anyway, I deleted added sugar from the list now. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:32, 13 March 2017 (UTC)


I've heard this word used, but it just doesn't seem to be citeable. Nothing on BGC, one hit on GGC, nothing on Issuu (searching for both singular and plural). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:43, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

@Metaknowledge: Is it just a straightforward blend of Salaf(i) + fascist? — I.S.M.E.T.A. 23:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 00:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


@SemperBlotto: Do you remember where you found German gernischt? I think it's probably just a scanno/typo for gemischt (e.g. here). —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

  • No, I can't remember. Feel free to delete the request. SemperBlotto (talk) 05:20, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


I don't think this is an Ancient Greek form. The only works on Greek Wikisource where I can find it are written in Modern Greek: s:el:Οψές αργά ΄ν επέρνουνα, s:el:Μα ΄ν έμπα στο περβόλι, s:el:Του φεγγαριού θα 'ν κλουθώ, etc. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


I've changed βατραχοφάγος from grc to el. {{R:LBG}} has an entry for Byzantine βατραχοσαυροφάγος (batrakhosaurophágos), which says to compare that term to βατραχοφάγος, which is listed in Ἱστορικὸν λεξικὸν τῆς νέας ἑλληνικῆς (Athens 1933–), i.e. a Historical Dictionary of Modern Greek. Obviously it means "eating frogs"; it's used in the definition of grenouillard in this 1842 French–Greek dictionary. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


I am extremely dubious about the status of -мент (-ment) as a Russian morpheme. Russian includes мент in borrowings from Latin or Latin-based international scientific lexicon (момент (moment), элемент (element)) or English (истеблишмент (isteblišment)), but the мент is perceived as part of the root, not as a morpheme. I can't think of any productive use of мент as a suffix. Tetromino (talk) 14:04, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@Daniel Carrero: can you explain why you added it to the list? Tetromino (talk) 14:14, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

@MaEr added -мент (-ment) to the entry -mentum in diff in 10 April 2011. I saw that link and got curious, added it to Wanted entries. Feel free to remove it. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:32, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. Removed from both places. Tetromino (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Hard cash -> Cold hard cash?[edit]

Should "hard cash" be part of cold hard cash instead (or vice versa)? I think they are pretty synonymous. Ranged Ranger (talk) 05:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Three probable SOPs removed[edit]

I've removed the following requests:

  1. dynamic verb: now covered at dynamic
  2. make passes
  3. little bill - just a bill (?) as in the bill in a restaurant

because I think they're SOP. dynamic has the relevant sense ("not stative, but fientive; indicating continued or progressive action on the part of the subject"), so a separate entry for "dynamic verb" isn't necessary. "make passes" is just "[[make]] [[passes]]", as in "Men seldom make passes at girls who wear glasses"; Etymology 2, sense 8 of pass is "a sexual advance". I've looked through b.g.c for "little bill" and it seems to refer mostly not to a bill in a restaurant but to a bill in the sense of "draft of a law", but "little bill" doesn't seem to be an idiom. It's just a bill that is either short or that someone is calling "little" to be pejorative ("that little bill of theirs"). Feel free to restore any of these to the list if you're convinced they have an idiomatic sense. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 08:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Adding non-red links[edit]

@CecilWard, I've moved your requests for pípa, lenn, and slige to WT:RE:sga, because this page is really only for red links, not links that exist in other languages than the one requested. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 13:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

@CecilWard, I reiterate: please don't add non-red links to this page. I've moved your requests to WT:Requested entries (Old Welsh) and WT:Requested entries (Welsh). —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 10:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Got it. Belatedly. Thanks for sorting me out. I thought - I don't really know what - there was either some bug eating my entries, or that I had perhaps screwed up and forgotten to save an edit, didn't realise it was the actions of a human.CecilWard (talk) 08:38, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


und:per synaeresin - isn't this a Latin SOP, la:per synaeresin? - 23:49, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

In Latin, yes, it's SOP. However, it may be used in other languages, like ab initio is SOP in Latin but not in English. Google Books suggests it may be used, or may have once been used, in German, but I'm not sure to what extent. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 06:56, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

RFC discussion: September 2018[edit]

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Please make sure the active list is not very much wider than this.

With the terms

"la:veglōnae · Cimbricē · duplex dominium · grc:Φᾰεθόντειος · χᾰλῠβήϊος · fr:basilic jaune · petite perception · gmy:𐁁𐀲𐀫"

the list is already slightly longer than the bar but with the additional

" · servitūtis in faciendō cōnsistere nequit"

it's much longer. - 15:30, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

The bar needs to be updated to reflect rhe fact that entries are now split onto multiple lines by the additional content that exists at the top of watchlists. The line is now nearly meaningless and we might do better to just allow a set number at a time. The list has been changed in any case. - -sche (discuss) 19:19, 14 September 2018 (UTC)