User talk:Vahagn Petrosyan

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User:Volants

Hello Vahagn Petrosyan -- You were correct. A savvy call. -- Ghost of WikiPedant (formerly User:WikiPedant) 18:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I had no idea that penis-enlargement pills had precognition as a side-effect. --Ivan Štambuk 19:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I also knew Jackofclubs was Wonderfool from the beginning but I was too late to accuse him; he came out of closet. For what it's worth, I think User:Internoob is the next WF. PS My big penis is all-natural, you asshole :) --Vahag 19:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

"understandable" in Armenian

Template:Armn? -able only lists Template:Armn so I'm not sure how these are made. But I did but up a {{trreq}}. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 20:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

You take the verb in infinitive and add (deprecated template usage) -ի (-i) to it: (deprecated template usage) հասկանալ (haskanal) -> (deprecated template usage) հասկանալի (haskanali), (deprecated template usage) ուտել (utel) -> (deprecated template usage) ուտելի (uteli). --Vahag 20:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Awesome... thanks :) — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 20:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

IE/PIE

This is just a short message to let you know that we're replacing IE with Indo-European and PIE with Proto-Indo-European. It's part of our "plain English campaign" - that is using English words, not abbreviations. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed. I agree with the campaign. --Vahag 11:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:Geor

I'm not quite sure how to clean up this edit (two spans and two classes). Shouldn't those font suggestions be put in MediaWiki:Common.css anyways? Cheers. --Bequw → τ 17:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I moved those suggestions to Common.css. Thanks. --Vahag 17:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

örnek, eşek, etc.

The source is Turkish Language Association. --88.253.43.91 23:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

The Association doesn't have detailed etymological dictionary, but they indicate if it is a loan word. Nişanyan says for the word "örnek", it seemed in Chagatai language on the "En erken Türkçe örnek" (The earliest Turkish sample) section. Chagatai was a Turkic language which was spoken in Central Asia. There can't be direct relation with Armenian and Chagatai. So, it's probably a Turkic word, later lended to Armenian. --88.253.61.196 12:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

You left out the part where Nişanyan says "~? Erm ōrinag ōrinak model, nümune, göstermelik" [1]. And Armenian (deprecated template usage) օրինակ (ōrinak), being attested in the 5th century AD, can't be a Turkic loan. I realize the Armenian origin of Turkish (deprecated template usage) örnek is not 100% sure, but I have two sources claiming so. You can add the alternative theory of native Turkic origin, but please do not remove sourced information. --Vahag 15:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

to the barricades

On the vote about place names, you commented "To the barricades, placename lovers. This time we must win!". I've just noticed that we don't have an entry for to the barricades, neither an appropriate sense at barricade that would render the three-word term sum of parts. As I've so far failed to come up with a good definition of the term, you might want to have a go. If you don't or equally can't get a good definition, then I think the tearoom would be a good next step. Thryduulf (talk) 11:37, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I too can't think of a good definition. English is only my third language. --Vahag 11:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, see WT:TR#to the barricades if you're interested. Thryduulf (talk) 14:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Template:ru-noun-anim-ий, Template:ru-noun-anim-ий-unc

Привет, Вааг, исправь пожалуйста предложный падеж на -е. --Anatoli 01:07, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Ты не прав :) Посмотри гений и викарий у Зализняка:

• http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/morph.cgi?word=[gjenij]
• http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/morph.cgi?word=[vikarij]

Ну и Гугл выдаёт 79,900 ссылок для о гении и 1,730 о гение. --Vahag 10:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Oops, shame on me :) --Anatoli 01:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

пожалуйста

Привет, Вааг. Посмотри какую откровенную пристрастность пытается привнести в статью Косово участник Дмол. По моему разумению понадобится защитить статью после еще одного вмешательства с его стороны. Как кажется тебе это? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 13:24, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Привет, Богорм. Я оставил Дмолу заметку: если хочет, пусть несёт Косово в RfV. Я не столько возражаю против его определения "Kosovo", сколько тому, что он делает вид будто прежняя RfV-дискуссия что-то решила.--Vahag 15:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Taipei или как по-армянски Тайбэй. Два варианта?

Спасибо, что исправил, Вааг. И та и другая форма в сети встречаются очень редко - Թայբէյ и Տայբեյ. Мой источник - Geonames. Можно рассматривать первую как вариант или ты следуешь какому-то стандарту транслитерации? --Anatoli 01:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Я следую специальному словарю географических названий на армянском (есть только печатная версия), а они следуют официальному стандарту транслитераций. Вообще Гугл очень ненадёжный источник для армянского: spelling *(deprecated template usage) Թայբէյ (Tʻaybēy) не может существовать в армянском, (deprecated template usage) է (ē) не может находиться в середина слова, только вначале. Используй лучше Eastern Armenian National Corpus — это отксанированная база реальных армянских текстов. У них есть Տայբեյ и Թայբեյ. --Vahag 09:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

etymology

Hi, Vahag. Behold this edit by the IP. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 21:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for catching the miscreant. --Vahag 22:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

There has been another instance of insolence lately. Some people are obviously not aware of the purpose of the References section. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 12:31, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Pesky Georgians... --Vahag 15:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Scotch

lol, praise the heavens for guys like you here ;) 81.68.255.36 10:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, nice IP. --Vahag 18:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Պրիվետ

(deprecated template usage) Պրիվետ Վահա՛գն (Privet Vahágn) May I ask you a favour? My friend's going to get a tattoo and he asked me of which language he should have it. Can you please tell me what "she exists as long as her presence is felt" means in Armenian and Russian? I don't want it to sound stupid since he'll have it forever; so if you have a better idea to translate with a similar meaning, I'd appreciate that :) Thank you so much in advance :) Sinek 16:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Privet! In Armenian you can say (deprecated template usage) նա կա, քանի դեռ զգացվում է իր ներկայությունը (na ka, kʻani deṙ zgacʻvum ē ir nerkayutʻyunə). There is no 'she' and 'her' in Armenian, though. We use (deprecated template usage) նա (na) for 'he/she/that'. In Russian it would be (deprecated template usage) она есть, пока чувствуется её присутствие (ona jestʹ, poka čuvstvujetsja jejó prisutstvije). --Vahag 18:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

(deprecated template usage) Մերսիիի (Mersiii) :) That really helped! Sinek 10:50, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Oddball

Not sure exactly what to do about this IP who keeps changing Georgian transliterations... Special:Contributions/67.9.161.233. I've blocked them for a day, but... not sure if they'll come back. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 01:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I left him a message and unblocked him. I have a feeling he is not evil. --Vahag 08:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe not evil, but I keep finding people who are natives of some language... and when you disagree with them on some minor issue, like transliteration, they start insulting your knowledge of the language and getting up in arms. Since it's an IP, I figured I'd block and pass the problem off to you, since you actually know something about Georgian :) — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 13:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm in Yerevan

Hey man I'm in Yerevan for a couple of days as of about 6am this morning if you wanna meet up. — hippietrail 16:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, let's meet, I emailed you my number. I can't say I know my country very well tourist-guide-wise, but I can show you were to find the best Armenian prostitutes, the cleanest in the region :) --Vahag 18:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry man didn't wake up till twelve due to hitchhiking-lag. Will have a լահմաջո and a shower and call you in an hour or two... — 89.249.195.34 07:36, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It's OK, I was sleeping anyway... :) --Vahag 08:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Revamp of Greek declension templates

Hi Vahag - I have been looking at the structure of {{el-decl-adj}} and playing with it at {{el-test}}. What I have done seems to work - I have put a test display at λευκός#Greek - it is working via User:Saltmarsh/template the possible replacement for {{el-a-ός-ή-ό-Creg}}. Please could you have a look my syntax in el-test. Thanks —Saltmarsh^{απάντηση} 08:38, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up this 'mess' - there are other templates in other languages with the same problem (if only we had infinite time and patience). Mglovesfun (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm only too happy to fix these. It's just some people are very protective of their templates... --Vahag 10:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Saltmarsh. I made only this change to your syntax and switched all the tables with comparison degrees to the new format. There is another thing that bothers me: the transliteration of plurals as in άλογο. Don't you find the sequence of parentheses annoying? Do you mind if I disable the transliteration of plurals in {{el-noun}}? If I were you, I wouldn't show plurals in the inflection line at all, we have a declension table for that. Besides, why is the nominative plural special? Why not the singular genitive or the plural accusative? The fashion of showing the plural in the inflection line is spread by English, but that's because the nom. plural is the only inflected form in it. --Vahag 11:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

That was very smartly done - thanks. I should perhaps say now that this attention is very welcome - it is sometimes difficult to get others (busy elsewhere) interested in this little part of the project - please continue if there are any other points that attract your attention. Much of the inflection line work was done before declension tables were dreamt of. As ideas develop can be difficult to implement them - particularly with my perhaps poorly constructed templates. You raise a number of points:

1. The noun plural transliteration always bothered me it looked untidy (I have often left it out, after all the user has the singular transliteraion and it saves time with entries) - I've removed it.

2. I think the plural itself should stay until most nouns have a full declension displayed (this may be some time!) users will appreciate its inclusion. The nominative plural is important because it helps users with declensions, eg masculine nouns in -ας can be -ες or -αδες in the plural, once known the appropriate declension is more easily chosen.

I hope I have explained that need clearly. The same applies to the display of adjectival feminine and neuter forms; and the past form of verbs - these are a standard in good dictionaries, but will not be essential ... eventually. —Saltmarsh^{απάντηση} 18:25, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. I want to nag you about one more thing: glosses for {{l}} should be handled like this. I would not include translations for ==See also== section at all, come to that, because they are one click away, and we are all too thinly spread to provide such luxury. --Vahag 18:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I will try to make sure I get the syntax right in future - I was probably perpetuating an error I picked up somewhere else. It takes time to enter such terms, but it helps my Greek vocabulary and maintains interest. —Saltmarsh^{απάντηση} 18:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Category:Neapolitan conjugation templates should really use a master template like {{nap-conj}}... which doesn't exist. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Which is why you should create one... :) Not interested in Italian dialects, sorry. --Vahag 13:09, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for help with dzud

Thanks for cleaning up the 'dzud' entry. I am not good with templates an the general formatting of wiktionary.  I was hoping i could add something and a more experienced editor would help me out, and before i knew it, you had helped me! Thanks a bunch.

I added the mongolian definition to the зуд entry, but i'm not sure if it's the right style. Also i feel i should link to the 'dzud' latinization of the word, but i'm not sure how to format that.... could you assist me there as well?

Again, thanks, and cheers! -Fudoreaper 07:35, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries. --Vahag 07:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Table colours

Not going to shout at you for changing the colour of {{fi-decl}}, but whatever it ends up at, please change {{fi-conj}} to match. Thanks!

Personally, I thought blue was generally the order of the day at Wiktionary, but I think that question's above my pay grade; the green's nice too. Whatever, it's most important that all such collapsible inflection tables should match. --KJBracey 11:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Mind you, I find the combination of pale green for borders and pale blue for the table a bit garish. I'd prefer to not have more than one hue in use. Either change that blue to a matching pale green, or to grey. --KJBracey 12:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

And the centre alignment's a really bad idea for an inflection table. It obscures stem+ending patterns. You really don't want the stem/ending boundary shifting left and right in a table. You can sort of get away with it for the declension, where all the forms don't differ too much in length, but it'll be worse for conjugation.

And the darkness of your edges don't make any logical sense. Again, not too painful for declension, but conjugation's more complicated, and the intensity represents levels of subheading. Whereas your darkness scheme seems kind of random.

And a table title needs a capital letter.

So, having said, I don't mind the green, I don't like anything else you've done... --KJBracey 12:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The format of {{hu-decl}} was a compromise we reached with EncycloPetey after a long discussion. I don't look at Finnish tables often enough to have another fight over this, so I reverted myself. --Vahag 14:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

курсиха

Привет, Вааг. Ты бы не помог мне разобраться в слове курсиха из следующего предложения (В. В. Розанов):

И едят, бедные, селедочку, запивая водочкой, ночуя с « курсихой », и завтра надеясь проснуться в заре торжествующего социализма.

(Речь идет о революционерах) Что оно значит? В словарях найти не могу, гугл выдает совсем немного результатов. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 19:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Привет, Богорм. Просмотрев редкие цитаты с этим словом, думаю, что курсиха то же, что курсистка, а именно — её нестандартная и грамматически неуклюжая форма (поэтому в кавычках) --Vahag 21:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Понял. Спасибо. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 21:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

check

Привет, Вааг. Ты мог бы проверить ударение в недавно созданной статье мещанинишка? Далее, какие в принципе кавычки надо употреблять в русских цитатах - «…» или „…“ ? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 07:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Возник и еще один вопрос - я намерен добавить цитату, содержащую слово брачущихся < брачущийся. Однако, брачущийся никак нельзя вывести из глагола брачиться по правилам образования причастий. Как тебе кажется, ему полагается отдельная статья брачущийся, куда надо и девать цитату, или нет? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 07:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Привет. Ударение правильное. Русские, впрочем, как и армяне, предпочитают «...», но если в печатном оригинале другие кавычки, лучше использовать их.

Касательно второго вопроса, брачущихся < брачущиеся архаичная фоссилизированная форма; она должна быть отдельной статьёй (как у Ушакова) и цитаты нужно пихать туда. --Vahag 09:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

А насчет статьи здравие я не могу определить какой тэг подходящее всего - dated или archaic ? Там все в порядке? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 08:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Всё в порядке, молодец. А тэг лучше archaic, хотя почему так — ясно объяснить не могу. --Vahag 09:23, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

qyamancha attestation

The contents of this section have been archived to Talk:qyamancha. —Ruakh_TALK 22:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Russian citations

Hi there Vahag. Recently, I have been adding Russian citations of words which raised my attention. Whilst translating them into English from scratch would prove to be an onerous endeavour, in the case of Pobedonoscev's citations it may be facilitated by the fact that there is one extant translation by Robert Crozier Long (deceased 72 years ago, ergo no copyright). You can see how the citations page looks like on, e. g., Citations:лицедейство. Do you find the format acceptable or needful of improvement? Do you have an alternative proposal concerning the structure of the Citations page (use of italics, paragraphs and so on)? The input of other Russian contributors (Stephen, Anatoli, Wanjuscha, AKA MBG) would be very much appreciated, before I set about adding more of these. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 13:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Privet. We only need to agree on the format of attributing the translator; it's not addressed in Wiktionary:Quotations. I prefer this format. Because that citation is used to attest the Russian word лицедейство in a Russian text and not some English word from Long's translation, the details of the translation are superfluous, IMO. --Vahag 15:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 16:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Citations:доколе, мировоззрение

Привет, Вааг. Я попытался добавить транслитерацию в Citations:доколе, только я не уверен где стоит ударение в слово ложны (lóžny или ložný). Кроме того, слово мировоззрение действительно могло значить astronomy, как переводит его Long? Это архаичное значение? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 08:48, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Привет! Правильное ударение — ло́жны. А мировоззрение значение astronomy не имеет и точно не имело. Просто, так как далее речь идёт об астрономических мировоззрениях, переводчик допустил вольность. --Vahag 13:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Спасибо за исправления. Я сейчас, читая Каткова, знакомлюсь с такими изысканными, обворожительными словами (ковы, доколе, неразумие, зиждительный, разноверный, пустоцвет), которые я доселе не знал. Я кину большинство из них на Wiktionary:Requested entries:Russian. По этому поводу также спасибо за исчерпывающие статьи, а я со своей стороны примусь за цитаты. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 14:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Кидай, без проблем. --Vahag 14:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

{{prefix}}

Hi Vahagn,

Sorry, but I've rolled back your changes to {{prefix}}: that sort of change to a widely-used template needs to be discussed before being implemented.

To be honest, I don't quite see the purpose of that change; I could understand the usefulness of, say, {{prefix|un|re|made|lang=en}} producing (deprecated template usage) un- + (deprecated template usage) re- + (deprecated template usage) made, with appropriate categories, but with the change that you made, it would produce the same result as {{prefix|un|re|lang=en}} + {{term|made|lang=en}}, which could just as easily be done in the entry itself. The latter functionality would not be so bad, except that it completely removes any possibility of the former. But that's just my opinion. A discussion at Wiktionary:Beer parlour or Template talk:prefix might well turn up support for the change.

Thanks,
—Ruakh_TALK 17:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess you're right. --Vahag 17:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

{{suffix}}

Hi Vahag. Is there a way to insert the meaning of the root word when using that template? Here I would prefer

мнить ("deem")

, since the entry мнить does not exist yet. This issue concerns also заключение and заключать and belike numerous other cases. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 07:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Sure, do it like this. Sorry for not fulfilling verb requests. I will start doing them after I write automated Russian conjugation templates (that's in my mid-term to-do list; I just bought Zaliznyak's dictionary which discusses conjugation paradigms). --Vahag 13:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I did not mean this to sound as an admonition. Interestingly, for some words like злоумышлять or горнило (though the latter is a noun) there is hardly any single-word English equivalent, so I am looking forward to your solution, whilst they bide their time (not to speak about плодотворить, where providing it with 2nd and third quotation would be quite an endeavour). The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 17:31, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

peristalsis

Why the etymology change? You've given a verb as source for a noun (which has a totally different form). Doesn't make much sense.. Ƿidsiþ 13:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I was following major dictionaries. Only Collins derives peristalsis from peri- + (deprecated template usage) στάλσις (stálsis), the rest say its from (deprecated template usage) περιστέλλω (peristéllō), via adjective (deprecated template usage) περισταλτικός (peristaltikós), which admittedly I omitted. Περισταλτικός δύναμις was used by Galen for “peristalsis”; see LSJ. --Vahag 14:35, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

No, the OED also says it (and they are probably the only two that bother to research it). What really happened is that we already had the word (deprecated template usage) peristaltic, and (deprecated template usage) peristalsis was formed as a kind of back-formation or analogy by using an existing prefix and an existing Greek word. ((deprecated template usage) στάλσις (stálsis) is attested in ancient Greek but *(deprecated template usage) περιστάλσις (peristálsis) is not -- only (deprecated template usage) περισταλτικός (peristaltikós).) Ƿidsiþ 14:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't have an opinion on this matter, I just did a lemming test. Change the ety to what you find justified. Determining the precise route of adaptation of Graeco-Latin words into English seems to me arbitrary, anyway. --Vahag 14:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

check

Это недоразумение коренится в копировании содержания строки отрядить. Я таким образом не обновил перевод и промахнулся. А затем я был отважным и создал статью отряжать. Надеюсь, что там все в порядке. Какой шаблон лучше всего применять - {{ru-verb-1}} или {{ru-conj}}? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 15:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Лучше {{ru-verb-1}}, он пободробнее, но и ресурсов (людских) жрёт побольше.--Vahag 15:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Yo p'aregam

Yeah that was supposed to be ironic, but anyway, I got a question 'bout Russian. I was wondering if there's any place where the genitive ending Template:Cyrl is actually pronounced -go and not -vo? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 04:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Lol. No, I can't think of any case where it is not pronounced as -vo. --Vahag 10:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright thanks, just wanted to be sure :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 15:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey man, у меня ещё один вопрос. Is Template:Cyrl a suffix in its own right, or just a form of Template:Cyrl that results from palatalization of Template:Cyrl? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 17:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Tricky question, now that I think about it. In words like (deprecated template usage) грамматический (grammatičeskij) the suffix is -еский, an alternative form of -ский. The part (deprecated template usage) грамматич- (grammatič-) is palatalized from (deprecated template usage) грамматика (grammatika). Most words with Template:Cyrl result from palatalization of к or ц, but not all of them: words like мировоззренческий, наслажденческий, поведенческий, просвещенческий, языковедческий are composed from a genuine, independent suffix -ческий. So, the answer to your question is “it depends”. --Vahag 18:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Awesome lol... I love complicated stuff. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 19:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok so those red links bother my eyes. Are my assumptions correct?: поведенческий - behavioural, мировоззренческий - ideological; philosophical, языковедческий - linguistic, наслажденческий - ???, просвещенчески -??? lol — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 01:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Redlinks gone, you can sleep tight :) --Vahag 15:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

'Nother question :D Which of these is right: Template:Cyrl? I ask because in Lithuanian, it would have to be reflexive but in some languages it wouldn't. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 07:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Cyrl is correct; the second one, though, is not unbearably ungrammatical either. --Vahag 15:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for helpin me out, bud :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 15:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Right on, homie. --Vahag 17:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

-альный

Do you think this could be considered a suffix of its own in Russian, etymologically derived from the French/English -al (experimental, musical) with added Russianness? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 06:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm wavering here. We can treat words with -альный as Latin borrowings, e.g. экспериментальный < Medieval Latin (deprecated template usage) experimentalis + Russian suffix (deprecated template usage) -ный (-nyj), or we cans say it's from эксперимент + -альный. The second one is easier. --Vahag 14:38, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking it's likely Russian picked up -al from French and added (deprecated template usage) -ный (-nyj). It seems pretty common for (deprecated template usage) -альный (-alʹnyj) to form adjectives of Latinate stuff like that. So like... it could be a suffix that's only for Latinate words or something. It does make the second one way easier :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 15:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

к

In gramota, I keep seeing definitions like "к Анатомия" (for анатомический) and "к Астрономия и Астроном" (for астрономический). In this sense, does к have some other use than what we have at к? I mean, they're still in nominative and everything... is that a dictionary thing, or are there actually cases outside dictionaries where к uses nominatives? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 03:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The formula "к Астрономия" for астрономический means "[прилагательное] к [слову] астрономия", i.e. adjective corresponding to the noun 'astronomy'. You can't use к with nominative, it's just the dictionaries want to give the lemma form of the nouns, hence that slightly awkward formula. The same way in etymologies you would say "из анатомия", without declining. --Vahag 07:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Short forms

Got another question, this one about short forms of -ский adjectives. I've noticed that not one entry I've seen on wiktionary lists forms like астрономическ or анатомическа, but this morphological dictionary lists them with asterisks and for some words those forms do get google hits. 'Sup wit' dat? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 04:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. Thanks for your Russian contributions. Adjectives, which are not "qualitative" (качественные), don't get the short forms. Full and short form of adjectives (in Russian). A girl can be "very" beautiful but a house can't be very "made of stone". Эта девушка красива. Этот дом - каменный. --Anatoli 05:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

It would be awkward to make short adjectives from -ский adjectives, even if they can be considered qualitative. You can make short ones from -чный (= -чен) but I can't think of any with -ский. --Anatoli 05:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Tolik is right, you can't make short forms with -ский adjectives. The Google hits you get are abbreviations of Russian (астрономическ.) or are in other languages. As for Zaliznyak's dictionary, it lists awkward/non-existent forms with an asterisk. It does the same for the plural forms of uncountable nouns. --Vahag 07:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty, thanks guys :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 16:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Additionally, I suppose that плоский/плосок and веский/весок are no exceptions from that rule, since -ск- (in веский only -с ?) belongs to the root, does it not? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 20:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, how I love a good grammatically challenging language ^_^ — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 22:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Right, веский is from вес + -кий, cf. вар-кий, гром-кий, лип-кий. The -ск- in плоский is part of the root, inherited from PIE. --Vahag 07:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Russian is at least described well (methink). It's challenging but you can find all the info. Unlike Arabic, the grammar is reflected in the spelling, so you can see the grammar used in the context without having to guess the pronunciation of endings. With some vocabulary behind your belt, you can just read Russian texts and build on your grammar. --Anatoli 00:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

թագավոր

Is the pronunciation [tʰɑkʰɑˈvoɾ] an irregularity, then? a Western Armenian pronunciation that by chance got taken up in Eastern too? I hope I'm not wrong to think that in general in Eastern, գ means /g/. 4pq1injbok 03:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's an irregularity. In Eastern Armenian /գ/ is almost always [g], but not in this word. For such irregularities compare also ձիգ, ձագ ,կարգ, դադար, վարագույր. I'm not sure whether this is the influence of Western Armenian or some regular change in certain Eastern Armenian dialects. Most often it happens when /գ/ is at the end of the word or between vowels. --Vahag 08:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I just guessed that someone had been careless. It would save the next instance of me this confusion if there were a note on the pronunciations to this effect, if that sort of thing's allowed by WT:PRON. 4pq1injbok 14:25, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Introducing such notes is conceivable, but not now. Now I'm concentrating on Old Armenian. --Vahag 14:37, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Ottoman Turkish

I think we shouldn't leave one code, but use one code in etymological derivations. Ottoman Turkish is a language that was used as the administrative language of Ottoman Empire. So, the "nation" didn't use it; that's why I wanna see one code there. Of course that doensn't mean we should delete everything about it. The words of this language can be entries with original spellings for Wiktionary; but that's it. We shouldn't do it like in Azeri, because nobody uses the Ottoman (Perso-Arabic) script today, while the Azerbaijani one(s) is used. Also, as I can see, most of the words are the same as transcription; but some of them have a little differences like in نماز and namaz. --OG 11:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I too think we should use one code in etymologies, namely {{tr}}, and use the Latin alphabet, not the Perso-Arabic, even if the word was borrowed in the Ottoman period. --Vahag 12:00, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Syriac script

Hi Vahagn,

I'm "sort of" back, though I don't think I'll be as active as I used to be. I'll take a look at those entries for you. :) --334a 17:22, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Gee, thanks, I thought we will never have the original script. Do you mind checking also Category:xcl:Syriac derivations and (deprecated template usage) շեք (šekʻ), if it's not much to ask? --Vahag 19:45, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. :) --334a 02:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a megabunch! And don't disappear again, your expertise is not replaceable :) --Vahag 08:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

бояться

Best laughs I've had all day :D
Template:Cyrl — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 23:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh forgot, I actually had a question. Are Template:Cyrl and Template:Cyrl pronounced the same way ([vəɫɐˈsatəjə])? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 23:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Not quite. Template:Cyrl is pronounced [vəɫɐˈsatəje] but could sound like [vəɫɐˈsatəjə] in a fast or careless speech from some areas. Although it's unstressed, the ending is pronounced rather clearly in the standard speech. The word with 3 е's Template:Cyrl (long-necked, neuter) has the last 2 pronounced the same -jeje --Anatoli 23:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :) I asked because I know some of the grammatical endings aren't pronounced as would be expected applying regular rules, like the neuter nouns that end in -ие. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 00:37, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

This type of endings is pronounced more or less clearly with no reduction, so reducing confusion but unstressed -ла and -ло (пела/пело) (verbs in the past tense) are pronounced identically or almost. A person may pronounce -ло as -[ɫo] for clarity only. --Anatoli 02:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Anatolij. the -la and -lo verb endings were another one I had been wondering about, but it'd slipped my mind... I'll probably keep finding endings I have questions about :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 15:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Dudes, Template:Cyrl Sinek 01:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

:) --Vahag 09:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Hahah I love you guys. Sinek, do you like yağlı güreş? :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 15:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's not my biggest fantasy actually. On the contrary of general view, we are not crazy for hair :D Maybe sexy wrestlers could make yağlı güreş more interesting (^_^) How about you two? :D Sinek 19:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Me? How dare you, Armenians don't like men! We do only women. And animals. Female animals, to answer your next question. --Vahag 19:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Do Armenian women like women? Also, do Armenian men like watching lesbians? I've never fully understood that one...

But yea Sinek, I'm a pervert so I'm rather fond of yağlı güreş, provided the Pehlivanlar are fit and nice to look at :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 20:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The Navajos tell a story about a farmboy who liked to go out into his pasture and pound one of his ewes. A donkey would watch the action and proclaim loudly, "shí-shąʼ, shí-shąʼ" (which means "what about me?"). —Stephen (Talk) 23:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Lol, Indians certainly have a taste in animals. --Vahag 09:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we like watching lesbians. Every guy does, that's sort of a cliché. --Vahag 09:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. If the participants are nice to look at, even mud wrestling is worth taking a pervert look. By the way Vahag, isn't heterosexuality too ordinary? Sinek 20:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I say if Vahag is happy keeping it simple with women and scotch, it's his right :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 22:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Sinek, for me women and scotch are enough. --Vahag 09:21, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Then Template:Armn! To men, women and scotch. Sinek 11:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

:D --Vahag 12:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

By the way Vahag, can you check Template:Armn. There's something wrong with its transliteration in the declension table. Yogai, yogaic’, or yogayi, yogayic’ ? Sinek 21:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, thanks for noticing. --Vahag 21:58, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

?!?!

Template:Cyrl (For clarity, the real question here is whether my assumption about the etymological derivation was correct, but any information you have regarding the posterior regions of Russians and the hues thereof would also be most welcome.) — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 17:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, ягода + -ица, because of their round shape. I haven't had enough hands on experience with Russian buttocks to give you more information about the topic. --Vahag 17:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

You are funny, guys :) --Anatoli 04:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Whipped cream for grown-ups

You remember when you were asking me about whipped cream on hot cocoa, I think it was? Check it out, they've recently come out with "alcohol-infused whipped cream". I've gotta try this shit, and I normally hate whipped cream. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 16:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

And I have to wait another fifteen years for it to reach my country. Yay! --Vahag 16:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

We're no even getting it in half the country for some reason. But you could always take a vacation here, god knows we need the economic stimulation. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 16:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Right. Your government makes us bend over backward to get a visa. The only way I'm coming to America is on top of a tank, to enslave you. By the way, I always wanted to have slaves. --Vahag 16:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

It's only like that because of our paranoia about terrorism and we're bad at geography, so Armenia sounds like it could potentially be in the same area as all those evil brown people who want to stuff bombs in their underwear and blow up a WalMart.

Anyway, I have moral oppositions to slavery, but I do make a good servant. I'm quite loyal and tidy lol — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 16:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Can I buy you, then? My slave supplier from Kenya, Bob Ullmann, has disappeared somewhere; the aborigines must have cooked and eaten him. It'd be fun! You get to sing while working the fields. --Vahag 17:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't really do outdoor work, I'm more about keeping the interiors nice and lean. What's really odd is that I compulsively clean when I get drunk. My mom does the same thing... we'll get all fucked up and start cleaning the house, it's scary. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 17:08, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Inflection templates - poll 3

You have voiced your opinion in some of the polls about renaming of categories for what was previously called "inflection templates", templates that are planned to be newly called "headword templates" or "headword-line templates" in the name of their category. I would like to hear your preference in the poll number 3, whatever your preference is, if you would be so kind: WT:BP#Poll: Inflection to inflection-line 3. Thank you for your input and attention. --Dan Polansky 10:09, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Compass points

Hi Vahag. Can you add Armenian translations of those 4 compass points please; northwest, northeast, southwest and southeast. Thanks in advance! Sinek 13:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Sinekçik. And Merry Christmas! --Vahag 14:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Ah Vahagçık, thank you so much! And, Merry Quetzalcoatl-mas. Sorry if my timing is wrong. Sinek 16:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, pumpkin. --Vahag 21:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Սուրբ Ծնունդ

Здравствуйте, Вахагн. Не могли бы Вы привести этимологию армянского названия Рождества? Хотя бы, что означает корень слова. Большое спасибо Alexdubr 14:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Здравствуйте. Конечно могу. (deprecated template usage) Սուրբ Ծնունդ (Surb Cnund) состоит из (deprecated template usage) սուրբ (surb) + (deprecated template usage) ծնունդ (cnund). --Vahag 18:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Большое спасибо. Счастливого Рождества Alexdubr 08:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Спасибо. --Vahag 15:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

порнография

Can you take a second look at that and make sure I didn't mangle any of the finer details in the second examplething? — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 16:33, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I checked it for you, even though I'm deeply hurt you didn't like my family-friendly improvement to your previous example :( --Vahag 17:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was hilarious, but I also recognized that it was far more disturbing and knew that if I didn't change it back, some prude would just erase the whole thing. :\

Thanks for your help with Russian, though. The main reason I stop learning languages is that I can't find anyone to really help me out. I haven't had the resources to study much, there's nowhere to put my computer in the bf's house. We've gotta get a desk from here at my mom's house and hopefully I can get back to it. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 18:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not because you can't find anyone to help. You're simply not capable of committing to one language, you language-whore. --Vahag 20:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It's a bit of both :D Some languages just aren't sexy enough to stick with. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 01:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Opio, if you still find the Russian language sexy enough, all you need is ask and you get help. :) --Anatoli 03:30, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't bother. He now sleeps with Latvian. --Vahag 11:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Lol I'm still with Russian. The Latvian thing is only about verbs, it's driven me crazy for a long time that we don't have conj-tables for it. I wanted to be done with it already, but they're slightly more complex than I anticipated. Makes me angry. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 14:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

You will be delighted to see this. I told you we should have left the Elmo-version. --Vahag 17:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

There are many fine points of Russian grammar indicated in the sentences! byl + instrumental, some conditional, some future tense, relative clauses, all sorts of goodies. — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 17:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

curious

Why the switch in translit systems for Armjanskij? (Also how do you say "I'm curious" in Russian? Is it я любопытен or мне любопытно?) — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 19:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Мне любопытно. Because I wanted Old and Modern Armenian to have the same system. Besides, I noticed no one uses ISO 9985. Most textbooks and dictionaries of modern Armenian prefer the classical Hübschmann-Meillet or its variations, the last textbook being this nice one. The latest Armenian etymological dictionary too uses Hübschmann-Meillet (here). One other thing, ISO 9985 is inconsistent: it contrasts most aspirates as p/p’, t/t’, k/k’, but then č̣ /č and ç/c’. Why? The only inconvenience with using the classical system for modern Armenian is that it transliterates (deprecated template usage) ղ (ġ) as ł; this way we will have (deprecated template usage) Աֆղանստան (Afġanstan) and (deprecated template usage) Ղուրան (Ġuran). --Vahag 19:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

The aspirates did always bother me in ISO9985. But I guess we'll just have to suck up the Ł, unless you want to be a rebel lol — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 19:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Ł is OK, look how many hits Larabal gets. It's a transliteration of (deprecated template usage) Ղարաբաղ (Ġarabaġ). --Vahag 19:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's just a bit unusual. I'll have to get used to associating Ł with /ʁ/ :D — [ R·I·C ] opiaterein — 21:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

полячить

Привет, Вааг. Я намерен создать статью о глаголе полячить (уже есть Citations:полячить), если ты не опередишь меня, но перед этим я хотел уяснить, глагол этот выполняет ли и функцию совершенного вида, или для этого есть отдельный глагол? Т. е. полячить заодно совершенного и несовершенного вида? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 11:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Привет, Богорм. Не опережу, я глаголы не делаю :) Думаю, что полячить несовершенного вида и не имеет совершенной пары. --Vahag 12:07, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Я создал статью. Ты мог бы пожалуйста проверить ударения и повелительное наклонение? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 18:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Всё правильно, кроме варианта полячила́. По крайней мере по Зализняку. --Vahag 19:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Я сам не знаю как ударение туда попало... По всей видимости я рассеялся, пока заполнял формы. The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 20:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Щедрин

Подсоби, Вааг. Какой там шаблон склонения? Не хочу отнимать работу у Стива, но кто-нибудь из вас помогите, я сегодня пьян. :) --Anatoli 12:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Специального шаблона для этого случая не делал. Добавил вручную. В ударении сомневаюсь, может Стёпа поможет. --Vahag 13:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Вообще слушай, я фигею с расизма и ксенофобии в России и совсем не одобряю. Мне стыдно за соотечественников. Много армян попали под перекрёстный огонь. Знай, что не все русские - шовинисты, и зло не может всегда побеждать. Я космополит и интернационалист, а проще, мне по хую, какой ты национальности, лишь бы человек был хороший. ;) --Anatoli 13:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Все нации хорошие. Кроме турок и азиков, конечно :D. И бельгийцев, ненавижу бельгийцев. --Vahag 13:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Не-а, это неправильно, значится в тебе еще сидит этот сверчок ультра-национализма, не проникся ты ишо ;) Если серьезно, я понимаю твои чувства насчет азиков и турков, хотя и они имеют право на существование, а что бельгийцы натворили? Или это прикол?! . --Anatoli 13:25, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Шютка. Стырил из w:Austin Powers in Goldmember. --Vahag 13:33, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

По-'ал, не дурак, гы-гы. Вааще, я вступаю во все группы против сурьезного экстремизма в России, таких пока мало, но мы в тельняшках. --Anatoli 13:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

"В ударении сомневаюсь, может Стёпа поможет". В чём сомнения? Во всех падежах ударение на следующий слог после -ин. Я могу проверить, но не не знаю, как сделать. Попросить Степана? --Anatoli 13:55, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Пошел я спать, будет время, завтра свяжемся, на новой работе (с декабря) стало труднее отвлекаться. ;/ --Anatoli 14:00, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Yereven question

I'm tagging some photos from my trip and wondered if the covered food market in Yerevan has a particular name in Armenian? — hippietrail 22:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep. It's (deprecated template usage) Պրոսպեկտի (Prospekti) (deprecated template usage) շուկա (šuka), meaning “Prospect's market”. “Prospekt” means “avenue” and refers here to Mashtots Avenue. Have you kept the "human strained milk" photo? From the restaurant menu. --Vahag 23:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

"Expressed human yoghurt" - yes I saw it a few hours ago! Thanks. — hippietrail 06:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Armenian templates

What would you think about

1. Adding entries to Category:Armenian terms lacking transliteration when is not present
2. Only categorizing entries when in the main namespace ({{NS:0}})

It seemed wrong inappropriate of me to do this without asking you. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:01, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

1. Sure, if you're going to do it yourself.

2. I don't understand the question. But I'm sure I don't mind it. --Vahag 19:05, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Number 2 is a good thing for category-freaks. Fear it not. lol — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 19:31, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

pește

Hello and thank you for deleting this entry so that the duplicate with cedilla can be moved. I think that there are some old revisions of pește that it would be nice if they could be restored. --flyax 09:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Restored. By the way, someone should nominate you as an admin, so you can do this yourself. Vahag 13:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, thank you, but I'm not that active here. --flyax 13:32, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Song

So, yeah, I'm gonna be making a song that I'll eventually want in Armenian, but since I'm still at the title (We drank the sun's sweet blood) right now, I wanted to know how horribly I'd translated it: Template:Armn. Wasn't sure whether to use aorist or simple past for "drank", and Armenian word order always mixes me up, so I just used the same word order as English lol. — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 16:07, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

You translated correctly, the way I would translate. Because Armenian is a synthetic language, you don't have to worry much about word order. The worst that could happen is that you will sound poetic. --Vahag 09:15, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Eck, don't wanna sound poetic. :D I'm surprised that went over so well, I was sure I would've missed something... awesome :) I love Armenian lol — [ R·I·C ] Laurent — 18:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

ტოლი

together with which this can be a Hurrian-Urartian borrowing. can you give me citations? Dixtosa 20:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I added the citation.Though newer sources say Armenian (deprecated template usage) տող (toł) is of Proto-Indo-European origin. --Vahag 21:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

турок

Привет, Вааг. Как выглядит правильная форма родительного падежа мн. ч. слова турок? Здесь написано турков, в русском Викисловаре турок. Обе правильны? The uſer hight Bogorm converſation 07:31, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Привет, Богорм. Оба варианта приняты, но турок более грамотно. Смотри здесь. --Vahag 08:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

time to learn formatting, Bachmann

Thanks for your comment, but in my humble opinion, Wiktionary suffers from much more severe problems than people failing to use its countless cryptic templates properly.

For one thing, it still suffers from misguided guidelines set up by the first generation of editors who didn't have the first idea of what a dictionary even is. Yes, I know this has improved, I used to be yelled at regularly for contributing actual lexicographic expertise, usually because the first thing such expertise did was cause a reductio ad absurdum of the said guidelines. So some people found it more convenient to diss the experts rather than rethink their red tape.

Now this is much better, these days. But the projects still suffers from badly thought-out guidelines, and much more from the most active users obsessing over red tape and adhd-style watchdog behaviour, while turning a blind eye to the giant holes in content. Most etymologies I have seen have been completely unreferenced, and more often than not highly dubious if not outright false. Nobody bothers to ask people to cite their references, but woe betide if someone neglects to us the proper infl or term template.

I recognize the great value of your contributions around here, Vahagn, but I must appeal to the administrators and veteran editors at Wiktionary to finally take a step back, absorb a dose of good old w:WP:UCS and rethink their priorities in the best interests of the project. A dictionary, like any work of referenced, is judged by content first and form at best in second place. It is useful to obsess over form, but this becomes involuntary comedy if there is a significant imbalance between the effort spent obsessing over form vs. that spent obsessing over content. --Dbachmann 12:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)