Wiktionary talk:Criteria for inclusion/Well documented languages

Arabic dialects

I have removed Arabic dialects as per a BP discussion. --Anatoli ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

See Wiktionary:BP#the_presence_of_OTHER_LANGUAGES_online (12 November 2012) for the discussion. --BB12 (talk) 01:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Irish and Welsh

Earlier, I removed Irish and Welsh following Wiktionary:Beer_parlour/2012/October#the_presence_of_Irish_and_Welsh_online. - -sche (discuss) 02:01, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Add category

Category:Wiktionary policies. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Lojban

@Metaknowledge I reckon Lojban should be removed from the eighth item. ←₰-→ Lingo ^Bingo _Dingo (talk) 13:28, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Apartheid

Is there a reason for presenting the languages in line 2 (Armenian, Azeri, Georgian, Hebrew and Turkish) separately, instead of merging them into the list of line 1?  --Lambiam 13:41, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Aren't these languages of the Near East? Canonicalization (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

I think most authors would not include Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia in the Near East, but Saudi Arabia (line 3) would definitely be included.  --Lambiam 21:54, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Then I don't know what to do. Incidentally, Azeri should be renamed to Azerbaijani per this discussion. Canonicalization (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Vahagn Petrosyan, could you do the renaming? Canonicalization (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Apartheid is a pretty loaded word to throw around. We have four or five lines of languages of Asia, depending on how you count line 2, wherein Turkey and Hebrew, by any definition I've seen, are definitely Asian languages. Line 3 was separate because prior to this edit, there were many Arabic lects on that line. This line was obviously all the WDL west of India and east of the Turkish Straits, besides Arabic. (Persian is apparently an LDL.) Are Armenia and Georgia European nations? I understand they're sometimes claimed as European, but I fail to see how countries east of Turkey can be European.

Circling around, line 1 is way too crowded to push anything else on. If the current division really bothered people, I can see making line 1 EU languages and making line 2 ex-Soviet languages, moving Hebrew and Turkish to line 3 with Arabic.--Prosfilaes (talk) 09:28, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Request for cleaning up

Why not classify the languages according to their linguistic affiliation? — that would be better than their now geographical arrangement, which itself however is amiss: all West Asian languages (Armenian, Azerbaijani, Georgian, Hebrew, Modern Standard Arabic, Persian, Turkish) should be put together, instead of being spread across many lines. So arranging by language families is preferable; if that is not done then at least aright the geography. — inqilābī ^{[ inqilāb zindabād ]} 14:32, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Pinging an admin. (@PseudoSkull) — inqilābī ^{[ inqilāb zindabād ]} 13:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

@Inqilābī: This list should definitely be clearer since this is what determines whether one citation or three citations are needed at a minimum. Kutchkutch (talk) 11:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kutchkutch: I then propose the following arrangement, by geography (classifying by language families is probably unhelpful because most editors themselves have commonalities through the language area they specialise in):

1. European: Albanian, Basque, Belarusian, Bulgarian, Catalan, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Icelandic, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Macedonian, Norwegian Bokmål, Norwegian Nynorsk, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Scots, Serbo-Croatian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, and Ukrainian;
2. West Asian: Armenian, Azerbaijani, Georgian, Hebrew, Modern Standard Arabic, Persian, and Turkish;
3. African: Afrikaans, Swahili, Xhosa, and Zulu;
4. South Asian: Bengali, Hindi, Kannada, Malayalam, Punjabi, Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu, and Urdu;
5. East Asian: Chinese (Standard Written Chinese), Japanese, and Korean;
6. Southeast Asian: Malay, Standard Indonesian, Tagalog, Thai, and Vietnamese; and
7. Conlangs: Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua, Volapük, and any other constructed language indicated as approved at Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion#Constructed languages.

By the way, should Marathi be not added to this list? -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 05:14, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Inqilābī: This arrangement is better than what it shows currently. Since it says This page may be modified through general consensus, this may need to brought up at the Beer Parlour. Marathi would belong to this list, but consensus at Beer Parlour for adding it seems like unnecessary bureaucracy. Kutchkutch (talk) 09:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Taking the reaarangment to the Beer Parlor is mildly bureaucratic, but expected I think. To add Marathi to the list, and thus changes the rules for handling many, many entries, is not unnecessary bureaucracy; it is exactly where discussion is necessary.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Standard Indonesian

I think it goes without saying that all of the languages here are the standardised forms. Just "Indonesian" should suffice. 178.120.64.209 20:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)