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2nd note re: 2nd delete.....The entry of mine you keep deleting is on a disambiguation page, which implies that extraneous relevant material is allowed. Wit: 'disambiguation' remove the ambiguity from; make unambiguous. Please stop wasting volunteer time and energy on petty matters which result in loss of useful information! Additionally, this your talk page, not mine, so the message below (*) would sit here without my knowledge. It doesn't constitute proper notification.Blurbzone 10:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Attn: SemperBlotto: Found you'd deleted a contribution I'd made on 12/19/2011 for the SOS-wiktionary page. Courtesy has it that you should contact the contributor first, before removing work that's not yours. The contribution is valid, and it's back as of 1/3/2012.Blurbzone 08:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

"Courtesy has it that you should contact the contributor first, before removing work that's not yours". What rubbish, if you did that you spend more time writing on talk pages than you did editing entries. I dunno about Wikipedia, but here we concentrate on the entries first, and the editors second. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:39, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Your impact[edit]

If you pick a species at random and look up its specific epithet on Wiktionary you now have at least a 34% chance of it having an entry (probably a bit more; it's a rough calculation). Back in September you'd only have a 23% chance. Cheers! Pengo 15:31, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

  • But from now on, each successive entry will have less and less impact. They are also getting more difficult to define (on average) as we finish with the simple prefix-suffix forms and the surname entries. SemperBlotto 15:35, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
True, but each new entry still covers around 100 species. I've been looking at making a new list weighted by the hit counts of species on Wikipedia, so as to target epithets (and genera) of better known species. Though so far it seems like quite a task to put the data together. Pengo 23:35, 3 January 2012 (UTC)


You recently removed the noun for informatic. Why?

The term is generic here. Other versions are comparative, such as bioinformatic, or geoinformatic, so the case is nominative.Wikimedian 11:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

  • You added a noun section between the adjective section and its translations. If the noun actually exists then add it after all the parts of the adjective. SemperBlotto 12:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


Is this really a suffix, or just the pronoun si tacked on the the end of a verb? Mglovesfun (talk) 00:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Our definition :- "One or more letters or sounds added at the end of a word to modify the word's meaning". It's definitely one or more letters added at the end of a word. It definitely modifies the word's meaning. Looks like a suffix to me. SemperBlotto 08:42, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Hi, Semperblotto. I'd rather call it an enclitic. Otherwise, we would have to classify the English possessive 's also as a suffix... --Actarus (Prince d'Euphor) 11:06, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

A question[edit]

Hi SemperBlotto
can your Bot create Kurdish verb forms?George Animal 15:56, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
  • It probably could. But I'm not going to. I have far too much other work to do, and I wouldn't know how to check the entries. SemperBlotto 16:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


You might want to revisit your action on this address with particular attention to information available at w:Tim Tebow#Tebowing. __meco 11:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

It's not vandalism[edit]

"da" is a real word in Ido: [1] -- 18:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

  • I didn't say it was vandalism. But there was no headword, and no categorisation. See other Ido prepositions for how to make a properly formatted entry. SemperBlotto 19:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Deleting an entry that doesn't conform to the standard layout but which does contain a correct definition is counterproductive and a bit lazy too. The entry could have easily been fixed from what I can see. —CodeCat 19:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I agree with CodeCat. You could even put {{rfc-auto}}; KassadBot can add both {{head}} and horizontal lines. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to fix it. I haven't got the time. Reversion is a single click. SemperBlotto 19:48, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
In a case like that, if the content is correct, better IMO to leave it as is (badly formatted) than to revert. AF will add a headword line and tag it for human attention.​—msh210 (talk) 20:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I have to agree with other users here. Reversion may only be one click, but more often than not, it is not the correct action to take. You have to actually [i]think[/i] before reverting, instead of just reverting blindly or because you don't want to take the time to fix the issue yourself. Razorflame 20:51, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Please explain[edit]

[2]? -Porch corpter (talk/contribs) 09:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Because it was wrong. No heroism involved in your definition. SemperBlotto 11:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
I've heard before that a hero does good deeds. -Porch corpter (talk/contribs) 11:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but doing good deeds doesn't make you a hero - there has to be bravery involved. We do good deeds by adding words to Wiktionary - but that doesn't make us heroes. SemperBlotto 12:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


Isn't buprenorphine the normal spelling? Lmaltier 07:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Polite meaning of lei[edit]

Why did you revert my edits? As far as I can tell, lei is perfectly correct except in formal contexts:

  • Wikipedia says Lei may be capitalized and also writes lei uncapitalized in some places.
  • WordReference mentions lei in the polite sense without using capitals

--Costa Discordia 13:35, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

  • I have only ever seen it as capitalized (and you can't trust Wikipedia). SemperBlotto 13:37, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
    • p.s. But see the two entries on it.wiktionary.
Obviously some people in this thread have seen it (and use it) uncapitalized too. See this transcript of a phone call with the Concordia captain that uses lei uncapitalized. I don't know what could be the best way to indicate that it is less formal (and perhaps rarer?), but it definitely deserves some mention. Since I don't speak Italian and had to look up lei in Wiktionary, I was misled into thinking the captain was being called a girl. I don't want other people to be misled too if they use Wiktionary instead of another dictionary. --Costa Discordia 13:50, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
And about it.wiktionary: I would put much less trust in the exhaustivity of wiktionary (especially non-en) than in the correctness of wikipedia :-) --Costa Discordia 13:50, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
  • My Zingarelli (Italian only) dictionary gives the formal sense as either capitalised or not, but my grammar books give it as capitalized only. I have expanded our definition accordingly. SemperBlotto 14:05, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

reverting the goose entry[edit]

hey, i saw you reverted my changes. i am new here, so please cut me some slack. i found about 30 different phrases and idioms involving goose. what to do with them?

  • Hi there. There were just so many errors in formatting etc. that it was far easier to revert than spend lots of valuable time fixing it. SemperBlotto 14:36, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


Everything seems ok here apart from the interjection, that looks to be three different titles, especially the third one which uses cazzi not cazzo. Also 'bad sentence' is (to me) clearly the wrong tone for a formal dictionary. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, when I've got some time I shall have a cleanup. SemperBlotto 17:03, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi, it appears that last year you deleted the page P.G.'. I was trying to include the abbreviation for (Italian) Prigione di Guerra (prison of war), which can be found, e.g., in Wikipedia. Cheers, Bjenks 04:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

You should be able to create that. The deleted entry was an English abbreviation for "professional geologist", which was not supportable as an entry. --EncycloPetey 05:36, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
This isn't in any of my Italian dictionaries, and is not in the Italian Wikipedia or Wiktionary. PG or P.G. means procuratore generale or procura generale in Italian. PG also used to mean Perugia on Italian number plates before they scrapped that system. SemperBlotto 08:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


I really don't get this revert - why are those two senses distinct? We don't have the same distinction for any other Greek letters apart from mu (which I have merged as well), and we don't generally have it for Latin letters either, although there are odd cases (e.g. u). 13:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, you are correct. I've cleaned it up. SemperBlotto 16:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your vandalism help[edit]

Thank you for your vandalism help over at the page santorum. Much appreciated! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

More linguistic vandalism: Stein's inaccrochable[edit]

Jeff, Thanks very much for reverting the entry on accrocher. You are right that Gertrude Stein was committing linguistic vandalism in coining the word inaccrochable in English to describe a story by Ernest Hemingway. However, they were in Paris at the time, so it is clearly a word derived from the French. Moreover, the story has taken on a life of its own, especially among Heminway buffs and no doubt among Stein buffs, so it cannot be said any longer that there is no such word. But part of the discussion in such circles is the meaning of Stein's word, with few thinking to trace it to the French accrocher. Looking around in Wiktionary, inaccrochable did not seem otherwise recorded. The entry on accrocher would seem as good a place as any.

So, subject of course always to your editorial supervision and guidance, do you think it might be possible to make some record of Stein's innaccrochable on the accrocher page? I can understand your own personal distaste for and repulsion at Gertrude Stein's linguistic vandalism. But recording this distinctively Frnch derivation is rather an appreciation of language.

My only interest is that I was asked the meaning of inaccrochable by a Korean correspondent and thought an entry here would help other enquirers. Maybe you have a better solution.

  • It's easy really. Does the word exist? Can you find three independent usages of it? If yes, then add the word (providing a definition). If not, don't. SemperBlotto 08:18, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


I really like your brisk dispatch of qestions it is so refreshingly to the point. Clearly, inaccrochable is a word Gertrude Stein made up for the occasion. So, there are never going to be uses of the word that are truly independent of her, unless you allow someone else might hit on it independently. Because it is made up, there is also always going to be an issue as to whether it is a real word and, if so, what it means. In fact, as you might expect, much of the discussion turns on exactly such issues: <>. However, anyone reading Hemingway's celebrated memoir of his time in Paris, A Moveable Feast, is going to come across the word and may wonder about it, as my Korean correspondent did.

But you are the expert in this matters. An effort was made to be helpful to enquirers, with reference to Gertrude Stein. I am sure that if you want to help, it is really easy. But I can see that you may feel it more important to oppose linguistic vandalism by not giving such help.

  • I have added the word, and three citations that do not mention Stein or Hemingway. You could have done the same yourself, instead of writing essays. Feel free to add more citations from the original people. SemperBlotto 12:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the help at whirlpooling[edit]

Thanks very much for the help at whirlpooling, you're right about the subject, and it makes it a lot clearer. -- Cirt (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

word list reversion[edit]

So why did you remove my addition of the word "laboratory" to the "-atory" suffix derived-terms list? If you include "lavatory", which comes from the Latin word "to wash", then a laboratory is a kindred word derived from the Latin word "to work". If done by bot, then your bot is seriously flawed. I must say, I've done editing on Wikipedia for the last 8 years, and this is the first time one of my corrections was reverted for no apparent reason. The British pronounce the word lah-BOR-uh-tory, same as the word lavatory, so you hear the actual similar Latin roots. Any explanation would be appreciated, thanks. 19:51, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

  • The entry that we have for -atory specifies adjectives (though it didn't explicitly say so). laboratory is a noun. I have also removed lavatory as this is also a noun. There may be others. We probably need a second definition to cope with such words. I'll have a think. SemperBlotto 19:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Additionally, besides lavatory the words conservatory, crematory, observatory, and purgatory are all included on the list, all of them places associated with their prefixes.
  • And, by the way, you're wrong. Laboratory is also an adjective, as in laboratory equipment. That's what makes English nouns so special.
  • The other place words can be adjectives too. —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).
  • I have updated -atory. In terms such as "laboratory equipment", the word "laboratory" is still a noun - this is called attributive use of a noun. SemperBlotto 19:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Damn cool. Thanks. 20:01, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


Just found this little used Italian template. It should really be {{it-verb form of}} like {{es-verb form of}}, but in all honesty, isn't {{conjugation of}} as good or frankly quite a lot better? I'm asking you as (I believe) our only current Italian editor, Barmar being on long term wikibreak. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, it looks like someone's experiment. I have replaced all occurrences of it by "conjugation of". I shall now delete it. SemperBlotto 14:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Your vandalism[edit]

Hello, I reported you at the Wiktionary feedback page for coming behind me and reverting just because I didn't want violate the 3RR. If you'd like to defend yourself on the page, you're more than welcome but I have no time for silliness. 18:38, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello! Semperblotto! I've reported you for abusing the admin tools. Disagreeing with an edit does not mean you get to instate a block and abuse admin tools. I've reported you here [3] 10:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

A question (Acopia)[edit]

Hi. You have recently undone a change to the definition to 'acopia'. The change was an attempt to point out the ambiguity of the word and it's lack of latin route. I would cite the following article which describes the issues very well. How would you suggest these issues can be made know on the page? Many thanks. —This comment was unsigned.

  • The Oxford Journal article shows that the word acopia is used in the way that we define it here. If you think that the word is also used in a different way then all you have to do is provide evidence. (The name of a commercial company, by itself, is not such evidence). By the way, you seem to have destroyed the original contents of the Wikipedia article. SemperBlotto 18:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Italian personal pronouns[edit]

Hey Jeff, I'm working on a table for the subject forms of Italian personal pronouns and the 3rd person pronouns are causing me some mental stress. From my understanding, lui, lei and loro are the normal everyday forms, but I'm unclear on the usage of esso, essa, essi and esse. Could you clarify at all? — [Ric Laurent] — 18:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, it has always seemed to me that lui, lei and loro are what Italians actually use, certainly in spoken language. Some time ago somebody argued that we should replace lui/lei in our verb conjugation tables with esso/essa but User:Barmar (native of Tuscany) argued against it. I think that esso etc are more common in written Italian, but I can't be sure. I'll see if I can find the old discussion (Barmar has been absent for ages, and seems to have left the project). SemperBlotto 19:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
    • p.s. egli is definitely only used in formal, written Italian. SemperBlotto 19:56, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I did notice that our conjugation tables have lui and lei, but essi and esse. I did kinda wonder about that.... Anyway, what we have so far is at {{it-personal pronouns}}. I wasn't sure exactly what to do with egli, so I haven't put it in the table yet. — [Ric Laurent] — 19:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the template, Ric. I have added egli and ella as "written" or should it be "bookish"? Added Loro. Web pages on Italian grammar usually include egli and ella, see also: w:Italian_grammar#Pronouns. --Anatoli (обсудить) 23:23, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Our own entry for ella marks it as archaic. — [Ric Laurent] — 17:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I have changed accordingly :) --Anatoli (обсудить) 01:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Corrected definition of Latin participle exactus[edit]

Please verify that there is an adjective exactus, a, um, in Latin apart from the participle. I don't know of one with the meaning "exact". Carlemock 17:25, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

  • I admit that it is not in Lewis & Short - but it is on Logos SemperBlotto 17:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Greybar Hotel Deletion[edit]

This is not a protologism. It's been in use for decades (if not longer) as a slang term for jail. Do a Google Books search: not only does it show up in dictionaries of American slang, but in both fiction and non-fiction. Chuck Entz 20:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

  • OK. Restored and wikified. You might like to add some citations just for the record. SemperBlotto 20:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi sorry about putting D before E, didn't know to prioritize English, will try to remember later. I based existence of Latin section on "Recorded since 1570, from Late Latin trapezium" from the etymology section. I'm not sure TBH just trying to follow the breadcrumbs. If it doesn't exist we'd need to find a new etymological explanation right? Y12J 20:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

  • All you need is evidence. See if you can find it in a Latin text (and add a definition / translation). (We should be able to figure out an inflection) SemperBlotto 20:44, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I think I'll check who added the Etym claim in the history, maybe they'd have one? Also do you know how to get Template:Term to specify Ancient Greek? Currently it says:
"from Ancient Greek τραπέζιον (“irregular quadrilateral”, literally “a little table”), diminutive of τράπεζα (“table”)""
But τράπεζα is a modern Greek term meaning 'bank'. I added a section for Ancient Greek to it saying 'table' but I am not sure how to direct to that part, since if an AG term was derived from it, it must be the ancient meaning. Y12J 20:51, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't know any Greek (but I like the food). All I know is that we specify {{etyl|grc}} for Ancient Greek and {{etyl|he}} for the modern language. SemperBlotto 20:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
    See comoedia for a Latin word from Ancient Greek that has all the template niceties in the etymology section. --EncycloPetey 04:20, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Judaeo-Spanish Ladino, not to be confused with Reathian Ladin[edit]

See this in wikipedia, [4]. Ladino could be confused with this, Ladin, wikipedia [5], a neo-latin and romance language that has not spanish, greek, turkish, and hebrew influences. Is it impossible try to clarify this in the entry? --Djudezmoot 16:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, but why would you want to put it in the language heading of amá? feel free to add a note to the Ladin entry, or maybe its talk page. But remember we are a dictionary - we just define and translate words - so nothing too encyclopedic. SemperBlotto 16:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
    It would make no sense to do this for individual entries with Ladino sections, only by editing the template {{lad}}, which should be done by discussing it at WT:BP because of the widespread use and sensitivity of {{lad}}. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


Would you take another look, there is more to prison guard than someone who guards a prison, in fact, there are prison guards that don't work in prisons at all, and in fact their main purpose is not to guard the prison but to guard prisoners from escaping or running amok. Also for the oneword version of the term, I have found three non-scanno uses of the one word form, you can see an actual scan showing the printed original as one word on one line. So I think this counts as a set term, I'd love it if you gave it another looking over.Lucifer 17:53, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


(bodyworker)Lucifer 20:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Continual misuse of tools[edit]

This revert is yet another example of your continual misuse of the rollback and page deletion tools. Since you continue to misuse them, and in addition refuse to assume good faith towards me, I have reported you to the beer parlor Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 01:24, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Machine = aeroplane[edit]

I object to your deletion of the definition of "machine" as "aeroplane". This is a well-attested and specific usage in Britain, especially during the World Wars. --Jtle515 (talk) 08:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

But we do have a sense for "computer" (given usex: "pushing the limits of the machine", and it's also common to hear sysadmins etc. asking "does it work on your machine?"). Jtle515, can you provide similar citations for the aeroplane sense? Equinox 23:04, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


See 20-Hydroxyecdysone. This is one of those chemical words that never seems to occur without its accompanying number. Is it usefully definable? Equinox 23:02, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Google search with added -20 gives loads of hits. I'll have a go (this also applies to the next load of words). SemperBlotto (talk) 07:53, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Some more words[edit]

Here are some (bio)chemical words I have seen recently and don't understand (and they are not in Wikipedia): ventiloquinone and isoventiloquinone, cyclopentannulated, nanaomycin, pyranonaphthoquinone, thysanone, pentalongin, eleutherin and methoxyeleutherin, karwinaphthol, carbazoquinocin, landomycinone, and benzannulation. What is a good thing to do with these? They will be tactfully ignored in Requested Entries. I could potentially merge them into your sandbox subpages. Or possibly you are in a position to dig them up and work out what they are, whereas I don't generally understand those papers. Equinox 01:59, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

  • All done. Feel free to add words to my a-z sandboxes (or to remove blue linked entries). SemperBlotto (talk) 12:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Italian terms spelled with K[edit]

Do you consider this, and equivalent categories for W and J to be a good idea? w:Scrabble letter distributions#Italian says that "The letters J, K, W, X, and Y are absent since these letters are used only in loanwords." NB asking you directly as you're the only active Italian editor. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, what -pedia says is more or less true. You will find J used in parts of Italy once part of the Greek empire (i.e. the south), where it is used (and pronounced) as an I (there is a chain of "Jolly Hotels" that are quite reasonable). I would have no objection to such categories, as long as you don't want me to populate them (ditto for three-letter words etc). Personally, I think that we have far to many useless categories - do we have any evidence that our users ever use any of them? Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


Was there some actual reason why you reverted my correction, or did you just mistake me for a vandal or something? Even the Wikipedia entry on the term mentions no suggestion that "mob" has anything to do with crowds -- it's short for "mobile". Keolah (talk) 21:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

accusasse is not a Latin verb form[edit]

Hi! Could you tell me where exactly it is said that accusasse is an inflected form of accuso? - 06:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC) There are six hits just in Latin Wikisource [6] even one by Ovid. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:00, 18 March 2012 (UTC) p.s. It is an example of syncopation - we don't bother putting it in the inflection tables.

I see[edit]

I didn't get that. I get it now :-) __meco (talk) 14:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

uncareful is not a word[edit]

I don't understand why my comment on the discussion for the word "uncareful" was deleted? This is not an English word, the correct word is "careless".

It is a word. See it in books here: [7] Equinox 13:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Proper Nouns[edit]

I agree. I will move the pages. If you have some knowledge of Latin vowel lengths, then please check this. Also I do not know the gender of all names, thus it would be useful to check it. Thank you for your help.

User:Dyami Millarson 15:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I just discovered that I am not authorised to move all the pages, thus the ones that I did not move I would reserve for you to change. Wait some minutes, and then I will be done.

User:Dyami Millarson 15:02, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

The pages leonida and eunomia can be deleted. I am quite new here on wiktionary, so how can I delete a page?

User:Dyami Millarson 15:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Hi there.
    • To get a page deleted (if you have added it in error) use the template {{delete}} - a sysop will check it and delete it.
    • You can add inflection tables if you want - see Citro. A bot will eventually add the inflected forms (but it doesn't run very often). I don't know much about vowel lengths of Latin words - so add macrons where you think fit. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Latin genitive in zoological names[edit]

According to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (1999), species names ending with -i clearly indicate that the species has been named after a male (female would take -ae, plural either -orum or -arum). I think it is useful to mention this fact in relevant articles, since the majority of the world population have very vague idea about Latin at all and this may halp to trace a particular person who gave rise to the species name.

Many thanks! These words are not Latin, I absolutely agree. I should have said that even fewer people have an idea about rules of zoological nomenclature! :-)


Please note this change I made. --Cova (talk) 08:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I keep forgetting about those. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
    • No worries. Someone will keep reminding you about them. --Cova (talk) 09:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


You're doing a bloody good job. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

My father said that. So far, he is wrong. Equinox 23:22, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Tories Entry[edit]

Why do you keep insisting on reverting my perfectly acceptable changes? The original entry was completely inappropriate. This is supposed to be a dictionary not a left-wing magazine to have a dig at the Tories. My caption is perfectly appropriate and politically neutral and non-partisan. Please accept my version and stop reverting, thank you. Christian58 (talk) 23:08, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Example sentences are meant to illustrate the use of the word in the real world. Your version was just a definition. I have replaced it by an actual citation from a book. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Entry - Radial glial cell[edit]

Hello - Please could you let me know what the errors were on my recent entry- I could correct them. Thanks . Scienceexplorer

  • I just thought that it was of a generally poor quality. We aim to do better. I have had a go myself. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:36, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, I see what you mean. I will strive to do better. Scienceexplorer (talk)


Discussion moved to Talk:青出于蓝.

Thank you, I'll study the page, before moving forward. Scienceexplorer (talk)

No, why do you ask? Scienceexplorer (talk)

Wow..sorry about that...I had no idea - will stay out of it. Scienceexplorer (talk)

Definition not saved correctly[edit]

Hello, I just saved a definition,however, a portion of it is missing and a dotted line outlines what remains. I just realized I might have exceeded the word limit. I'd appreciate your help in this matter. Thank you! Scienceexplorer (talk)

  • You didn't start the definition line with a hash (#). The definition was pretty crap, but I see that somebody else has had a go at it. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. Scienceexplorer (talk)


Semper, do you still have tools that will simply and quickly create a "Concordance" (linked word list) from a piece of text? If so, I'd like to have Concordance:Moby-Dick created from the Wikisource edition, which looks to have preserved the spellings from the 1851 original. I'm not particular about the format; but sorted alphabetically would be preferrable. If the chapter number(s) can be listed after each word (once per chapter), that would be a great bonus. If you do not have the tools to complete such a project, do you know who might? --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

  • I can produce something like the following. This is just from chapter 1. p.s. I only read it for the first time a couple of years ago. What a truly weird book! SemperBlotto (talk) 21:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

<text moved to concordance>

Yes, something like that would be usable. If you can paste each chapter's individual results into a correspondingly numbered section on the proposed Concordance page, that would work about as well. I am looking both to add missing entries as well as to add quotations to entries. The sectioning will thus help me identify quickly where to look for quotes. I'm attempting now (for the second time) to read the novel through. I made it only about halfway last time before life interfered and I lost my reading time. I have better prospects this time around. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

  • OK - I've made a start. If you would like to complete the construction of the basic concordance page (adding all the other chapters), I shall add the individual subpages a few at a time (so as not to get too bored). p.s. I have used subpages rather than sections so that the page does not get too big. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:26, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
    • p.p.s. Note: my software throws away special characters (converts them to spaces) - so chapter 2 does not contain "Carpet-Bag", only "Carpet" and "Bag". SemperBlotto (talk) 07:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
      • So you might want to manually convert "wouldn" and "t" to "wouldn't" etc. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:49, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I had expected that the software would butcher some words bearing internal punctuation, but that's probably unavoidable. Thanks for this. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:29, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
User:Equinox/ExtractBookWords was also designed for this purpose, and I've used it quite successfully. Equinox 21:46, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

pink slime[edit]

is under attack by User talk: what can be done!Lucifer (talk) 00:12, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

  • We need more sysops. Well, actually we already have more than enough people defined as sysops, but not enough who do any useful sysopping. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:58, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi Jeff. You seem to be the author of the English definition of permutant. Since this is such an obscure bit of info, you might be interested in the newly-created article at w:Circular permutation in proteins. It was the first article contributed to enwiki through a partnership with PLoS Computational Biology and they have asked for local reviewers to take a look at it. I found your definition because I saw that enwiki had nothing on permutant, which was used in their article but not defined there. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I have added a link to the -pedia article. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:34, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


I think it might be a direct loan from Latin delator. We also lack English delator, delate and delation seem to be missing meanings.This is going back to my Scrabble playing days (delator is the anagram of leotard). Mglovesfun (talk) 10:02, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Collins Gem Latin Dictionary has dēlātor (informer). Mglovesfun (talk) 10:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
And lodestar in the plural. Are we going to add "words from Countdown" next?
You joke, but fr:Utilisateur:Mglovesfun/Dictionnaire Countdown. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:06, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
<historical note>On our first ever visit to Paris, the Falklands war was just starting up and we watched it in bafflement on a black and white TV in our little room. We also watched this strange quiz show where people had to make words from letters as a big clock went slowly round. We had never heard of any of the words chosen and left none the wiser. </historical note> SemperBlotto (talk) 10:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


Hi Jeff,

Can you provide a citation for equinoctal? I can't find it in any dictionary. — Paul G (talk) 16:39, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Hi Paul. We don't copy from dictionaries, but from real life. Citations have been added by somebody else. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:18, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Knaggs. Could you tell me why did you revert my translation of the verb "to shade" with the italian "variare leggermente" form in the sense of alter slightly something, and also the form "tendere a" for "to shade" in the sense of varying in colour(i saw in French is correctly added, and it is a phrase)? I thought there was a free possibility to add correct translations for native speaker in english entries, automatically assisted. Is there a policy did I infringe? Or are you not complaining with my translations? —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

  • What has this got to do with equinoctal?
  • You do not seem to have made any previous edits here.
  • Edits to shade were made by an anonymous user at "" - the terms added were not in the Italian wiktionary, or any other Italian dictionary that I either own, or could find online. They seemed to be sum-of-parts combination of other words. Perhaps you meant to add separate words (as in the French equivalents). SemperBlotto (talk) 21:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

creative intelligence[edit]

Why was the term for creative intelligence deleted? Could you please provide the correct form in your response that would have prevented it being marked for deletion?

TheRhythmicThird (talk) 00:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

  • You said that it was an adjective and added an adjective headword template. It would obviously be a noun.
  • The definition "The novel ability to cognitively think, process, and work with information in ways that surpass what is already given." did not seem to actually mean anything to me.
  • However, there do seem to be a number of pseudo-philosophical books that use the term, so feel free to add a better definition, and back it up with good citations. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Again, seriously[edit]

[8]. This is the fourth or fifth time you've undone reasonable, good-faith, non-vandalism edits without explanation. This has got to stop. Just because you claim to be a linguist doesn't give you carte blanche to ignore the rules and undo good faith edits. Do me a favor and stay away from my edits Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 13:40, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, looking through your recent contributions, I have found a number of similar good-faith edits that were reverted, even though they appear to me to be perfectly acceptable. Many of them were done so quickly it's doubtful you even read them. That tells me you're abusing rollback. Please, take more care in your editing. Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 13:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Purplebackpack89, you're forgetting that reverting good faith edits is perfectly acceptable here. You might as well criticize him for creating Italian entries. Also, my tip is to stop making bad edits, then people will stop reverting them. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. Stop adding crap and I'll stop reverting it. SemperBlotto (talk) 20:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC) p.s. And if other sysops patrolled recent changes properly I'd have more time to undo bad edits with an explanation.

Kafkaesque - page has incorrect link[edit]


I'm very sorry, I know it's not your page but i noticed you have made edits in the past.

I tried to fix an error where the word 'superlative' is linking to the wrong word in the Wiktionary, unfortunately I found (to my disappointment), that I am not skilled enough to fix the problem. I wonder if you could make the change.

You find the word under the heading Adjective (near the top of the page).

Currently the word links to:

However, it should really go to:

Thanks for your help


Jason McMahon

  • Fixed. It wasn't just Kafkaesque, but was the template used by all English adjectives. Thanks for spotting it. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:32, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi Jeff,

I've just deleted this. It looks like it was created in error by SemperBlottoBot (the correct form being "si impadronirebbe"). Do you know whether there are any other misspelt entries that your bot might have created? — Paul G (talk) 10:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I've just found and deleted another: arrendersibbe. is not showing up any others ending in -ibbe but there might be others around. — Paul G (talk) 10:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello Paul. Yes, there are lots. The problem arises in cases where there is a reflexive -irsi verb with no corresponding -ire one. As part of the preparation of data for the bot I do a global change of (stem)ire to (stem)irsi and this creates havoc for forms such as "impadroniremo" that have "impadronire" within them. I shall investigate, delete bad forms and create good ones. Thanks for spotting it. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
All of those done. 8 forms in 11 verbs. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi, can you review these? I've been reverting them so far, but should I in fact be formatting them? I'd have asked EncycloPetey but his edits are less regular than yours at the moments. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Good grief. Some correct, some not, none properly formatted (but that can't be helped). I've removed the Latin edits that looked wrong (according to Lewis & Short and my Latin dictionary). I've marked the Greek for attention. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Aruñar - bad redirect?[edit]

Should it then be created as its own entry or does that mean it should stay blank? What if someone hears "aruñar" and looks that up but finds nothing (as happened to me at first, I had to go to another site to figure it out)? I'm not trying to dispute the deletion of aruñar, just wondering about the rationale behind it (I'm a bit new to editing Wiktionary so bear with me :) ). Saimdusan (talk) 11:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Saimdusan (talk) 14:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

cite Latin terms at the time you create them[edit]

Hi! In relation to the proposed vote on relaxing CFI for endangered and sparsely-attested languages, we're currently discussing (here) whether or not to require the creators of entries for terms in extinct languages to supply at least one citation at the time they create the entries (i.e. to pre-cite the terms). As a contributor of Latin terms, would you care to express an opinion? - -sche (discuss) 05:03, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

  • But Latin is not extinct. It is still being taught, read and written all over the world. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:48, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
    • And, of course, any language that has its own version of Wikisource can't possibly be "sparsely attested". SemperBlotto (talk) 06:57, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


Would you be so kind as to not fuck around with me when I am bloody well editing?
For Chrissakes, Varlaam (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


Odd that you would revert my edit without comment (I timed out so was not logged in) and odd that you should make the term (pathology) since it is a term we use in Medicine (I am in the Pulmonary Division of our University Department of Medicine). Our Blood Gas samples are analyzed by the Clinical Pathology Lab, but the determination that the numbers that come back are hypoxemic or not is a Medial decision. Kindly advise.

(replied on uer's talk page --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC))

Bristolian in Latin?[edit]

Any idea what Bristolian would be in Latin? --Itkilledthecat (talk) 07:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Not yet. I looked at w:la:Paulus Dirac, but they just say "born in Bristol". SemperBlotto (talk) 07:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
    • I have added the adjective. The noun could well be "bristolus" or "bristolianus". SemperBlotto (talk) 07:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi SemperBlotto, you have made this edit. I wonder why... The expression "More power to your elbow!" is admittedly a weird, idiomatic expression of encouragement, but the idiom gives 23,900 hits on Google Books. Shouldn't we create an entry for it? -- 20:11, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, if I had had more time I would have changed it to more power to your elbow (no capital letter, no exclamation mark) but I was busy with other things at the time. I have created the entry for you. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! -- 21:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


Please refrain from completely undoing other people's work without giving them the courtesy of either request for further information or providing your own explanation, unless you know for a fact that the post is wrong. Your ignorance is not an excuse. You appear to make it a habit. If you want to see the data, just ask. The meaning I posted was in wide circulation from roughly 1860 to 1940, especially in the South. All you have to do is pick up a copy of a turn-of-the-century Southern newspaper and look for court reports.

Here's an example a little earlier:

Little Rock Daily Republican. March 18, 1873
Criminal Items. The "City of Roses" Assuming Metropolitan Airs -- A Lively Day with the "Vags" and Petit Thieves. p. 4/6
Yesterday morning seventeen motley-colored vagrants of all nationalities, ages and sizes were arraigned before "the terror," Judge Triplett, and that accommodating official, with that suavity of manner for which he is noted, assigned each the usual twenty-five dollars or thirty days on the gang. They went to the gang.

Alex.deWitte (talk) 18:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The problem I see is "Chain gang; a sentence to labor on a chain gang." Surely that's not a single definition. "A chain gang" on its own looks quite likely (though I've never come across it in this context) but when you add the extra bit, I can't make any sense of it. Is it two definitions, or one very difficult to understand one? Mglovesfun (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
That's fair. I've been struggling with a coherent compact definition of someone being sentenced to the gang or to specific time on the gang. The latter may require a separate entry, as it is a very common expression in the period I indicated. But it is the former that should stay under gang. OED does not have "on the gang", but that may change. Alex.deWitte (talk) 18:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes - it made no sense at all. That's why it was reverted. SemperBlotto (talk) 20:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Really? Neither the use of "gang" to imply chain-gang, nor a court sentence "to the gang" make any sense to you even after I already explained it above? You're well aware--and I am, obviously, not the only one to say so--that you have a short trigger when it comes to reversion. I suggest doing something to pace yourself--take a break before reverting, even if you don't try to figure out why someone might have wanted to say what they did (which should be the first priority). And, as I said before, ignorance is not an excuse--just because you may be unaware of a particular use or don't think it makes any sense, doesn't mean that it's actually wrong. Quite possibly you simply don't know something. With most of us mortals that happens a lot. I simply assumed that you're a member of the same class. Perhaps I was wrong. In that case, please forgive me--I've never dealt with a divinity before.
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't post on a whim. In the case of Wiktionary, what I post is usually a result of hours of research and verification. For this reason, I find thoughtless reversions quite annoying. If it's not vandalism, the first instinct should be to fix, not to revert. If you don't know how to fix, ask. If you don't have time to ask, you are spending too much time criticizing other people's work.
I know several people who do lexicographic work for a living but have quit any work on the Wiktionary because of their encounters with knee-jerk behavior. This is not the intent of this publication. We are not in high school, fighting over territory. This is supposed to be a collaboration.

Alex.deWitte (talk) 04:31, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi science man, can you please educate the world as to what a discography is, medically speaking. --Itkilledthecat (talk) 20:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Added. I think the medical term is more common with a "k". SemperBlotto (talk) 20:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


This Italian word was incorrectly entered as English (erythrodysesthesia). I don't know how to do it-noun. Equinox 21:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


Another sciencey word for you. I reckon dispensible means something like "used for dispensing", but most of the hits are really too scientific for my brain to fathom. Can you see if you can give it meaning? --Itkilledthecat (talk) 11:48, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

  • The citations you give look just like an alternative form of dispensable - (able to be dispensed with). SemperBlotto (talk) 14:42, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


  • I will add that sense, and technically you are right however in actual usage both are used to describe silicon, for example silicon valley is usually called el valle de silicona, while el valle de silicio while being correct per prestige is looked over due to the common usage.Lucifer (talk) 15:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Wiktionary:Requests for deletion#attention whore[edit]

I'd assume Abc2k and Dotcomman are the same user; can we prove it? I have a feel a whole host of shiny new users will be voting keep on this entry. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


I was trying to cite this as humorous term for a cat lover, instead I found out it's a chemistry term, also cataholism, anaholic, anaholism. Can you create these? I haven't the faintest idea what they mean. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Judging from the names they have something to do with anions and cations... —CodeCat 13:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
No. You were right about the cat lover. All instances of all forms seem to be OCR errors for catabolic, catabolism, anabolic or anabolism. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


This section goes against my (limited) experience of Latin. What vintage of Latin had this? DCDuring TALK 14:58, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

  • My Latin dictionary says "late uncommon". Lewis & Short only have essentia (the being or essence of a thing) and essentialiter (essentially). SemperBlotto (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


I was wondering why the definintion to Torque was reverted back to its original. That is a valid definition. I felt the need to ask before I reverted your revert.Speednat (talk) 01:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

The word you're thinking of is torc. The spelling with the -que is not used to reference rigid necklaces. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 05:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
I beg to differ. My book uses "torque" with a definition, and Websters defines it too.
Further research shows that I was wrong -- I'd only ever seen the jewelry term spelled with the -c, but digging around does show uses of the torque spelling to refer to the necklace. My apologies. -- Eiríkr Útlendi │ Tala við mig 05:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
We have the definition at the normal torc and an "alternative form" at torque. There is no point in duplicating the definition. Reverted. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't torque be the original, as all my reference books state that as the original. Rather than just inserting a "reverted" here, why don't we discuss it, unless of course I am missing where you are the authority. Speednat (talk) 20:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
On another note, shouldn't you as an "administrator" be trying to solve problems instead of creating problems. see Revert
I agree that the collar can be spelled in both ways, and am not particularly bothered about which one is given as the prime spelling. But your edit gave torque three separate meanings (three # signs) where there were only two meanings. I also confirm that the etymology of the collar is from Latin torques. If you want to, you can move the torc definition to the 2nd definition of torque and replace it by an "alternative spelling of torque" being careful to specify the collar meaning only. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:16, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Since you know exactly what "you" want in this entry, why don't you fix it instead of giving instructions to me. I see it fine the way I have done it. However, if "you" want to change it to fit your criterion then do so. Otherwise I will keep changing it to fit the proper spelling, the way my reference books state it. Speednat (talk) 21:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
My OED agrees with Speednat that "torque" should be the primary spelling. It also appears that the etymology is, in fact, slightly different from the physics def (which is from Latin torqueo, while the necklace is from Latin torquis, which comes from torqueo). I have removed the alt. spelling def, and made the appropriate changes to torc and torq. Hopefully this suits everyone. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 18:31, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's much better. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Atelaes.

On another note, sorry if I ruffled feathers. I am not trying to be disruptive, merely helpful. I like the wiki-culture and have enjoyed editing wikipedia, and would like to start helping on Wiktionary. I am learning that this is a different culture over here and I ask that if I make mistakes that you please let me know and help me become a better editor. Speednat (talk) 00:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


You deleted mention of the third gender here. Do you completely disagree with mentioning them?

  • The definition of intersex contains the words "characteristics of both sexes." So it is not a sex itself. p.s. gender is another matter altogether. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:15, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


I added some information for caress, including the etymology. Could you look at what I did and ensure it looks ok. The only item I was unsure about was the sanskrit kāma which in my Websters says akin to first. Thanks

On another note, I was adding some info for riffle and the etymology from that one doesn't match what my books state. It states from German riffelen {to groove}; my book states possibly from the word ruffle; which then has ME ruffelen and then from Low German ruffelen {to crumple}. I want to make those changes but don't want to step on toes, or if my book is outdated. Thanks —This unsigned comment was added by Speednat (talkcontribs).

  • Hi there. I see nothing wrong with these edits apart from the Sanskrit which should be in the Devanagari script I believe. I know absolutely nothing about etymology - as far as I can tell it is pure guesswork, so you should do what you think right. Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

horse and rabbit stew[edit]

I don't really see how that edit was vandalism? —CodeCat 13:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

  • It wasn't. I am a human being and sometimes make mistakes. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:28, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Ok, sorry. You don't need to be so defensive... —CodeCat 15:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

My Talk Page[edit]

Can I please have it back? Thanks. Rob Hurt (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

  • User talk pages are primarily used by others to discuss your edits. (see Help:Talk pages) You haven't made any. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Yep. You're right. But they can't discuss my edits on my talk page if I don't have one. See how that works? ;)
Rob Hurt (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes they can. The first time anyone wants to talk to you, they create your talk page for you. Typically, a sysop will create it with a welcome message. Still waiting for you to do something useful. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Why you delete my user page?[edit]

I just want to know, why did you delete my user page? Is there anything wrong inside it? You should talk using my talk page first if it contains anything that should not be there, not directly delete it. Any more, it is my USER PAGE, not an article, right? Just want to know the reasons.. Best regards, --빛다얕/Muhammad Nur Hidayat 12:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

  • User pages are for contributors (this is not Facebook). When you have made at least one contribution to the wiki (added a new, or improved an old entry) then you are allowed one. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:29, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Minor question[edit]

I improved this entry that you made but I was just wondering, is the way I've edited it ok? I mean, I presume this is the way the meanings are, right? 50 Xylophone Players talk 21:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Both definitions are countable. I can't really see any improvement. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Really? In the sense of this specific...anion, would saying it's countable not be the same as or similar to saying chlorines or sodium chlorides, etc are valid terms? 50 Xylophone Players talk 03:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Neither chlorine nor sodium chloride are ions. chloride is an ion and is countable - you can have many ions together. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:05, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. I understand the situation better now. 50 Xylophone Players talk 18:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi. We have fraticello = "young monk". Also, some sources say that Fratricelli ought to be Fraticelli (i.e. without the second R, perhaps suggesting that the "little brothers" ety is wrong?). Webster 1913 has an entry for Fratricelli: "The name which St. Francis of Assisi gave to his followers, early in the 13th century. / A sect which seceded from the Franciscan Order, chiefly in Italy and Sicily, in 1294, repudiating the pope as an apostate, maintaining the duty of celibacy and poverty, and discountenancing oaths. Called also Fratricellians and Fraticelli." Could you please work out what is accurate and create entries accordingly? Equinox 00:55, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

  • OED has nothing like either. Italian Wikipedia has w:it:Fraticelli. Italian Wikisource has several hits for fraticelli but none for fratricelli. Google book search has hundreds of thousands of hits for fraticelli but only 8,000 for fratricelli (all seem to be in English). It looks like a mistake to me. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:08, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


you deleted "bodily integrity" for having too many errors. Which errors do you mean? Pass a Method (talk) 13:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Plural was wrong.
  • Definition was crap :- "a concept that refers to ..." - but what does it mean
  • Sum of parts.

Feel free to have another go if you really think it deserves an entry. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Is that better : bodily integrity ? Pass a Method (talk) 14:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Much better. I'll add a link to Wikipedia. (many people will think that it is still sum-of-parts though) SemperBlotto (talk) 15:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


to me you trouble maker. You have abused your admin abilities. Hard-on does not always mean its an erection. It is a difficult time and you know that. Next time you do this, i'm reporting you to the founder or someone else and you will be in a lot of trouble and you will be fired. So i suggest leaving the non-slang definition there in that entry!--HappyLogolover2011 (talk) 00:25, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I would have blocked you for longer. Do us all a favor and stop harassing and threatening editors. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 14:41, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


I can't think of any other verbs that act like this, so I think it needs a unique conjugation template. Are you able to make one? Thanks --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 14:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, the first thing is - I don't know how to conjugate it!
  • Secondly, I don't see the point of constructing a template, if it is only going to be used in one place. Could you possibly use {{la-conj-base}} and fill in whatever parts are used? SemperBlotto (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
    • The reason for a template is that I really want all the inflected forms to be bot-created. This is almost certainly the single most common Latin word that we do not have inflected forms of. If you think it's doable, I'll explain the conjugation. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 14:44, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Oh, stupid me. I forgot about odi. Those inflected forms were done by hand, though. Anyway, the conjugation's here. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 14:49, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Bot-creation is not just dependant upon a template. It has to be programmed for each template by a human being (me). I'm not doing that for a single verb - it would be faster to populate the verb by hand. I'll have a look. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:55, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, the {{la-conj-base}} template is not much good - it doesn't blank unused terms. See the current system sandbox. The good news is that we have most of the inflected forms already defined. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Well, I guess that basically solves it. I'll do all the rest by hand now. There's a few more I've been meaning to do by hand, so I'll get to it. There's still a bit of a mess at inquam, but I don't really feel like dealing with it at the moment.--Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 15:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
      • The sandbox version doesn't show macrons. I haven't checked if the inflected forms have correct macrons or not. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Latvian sala[edit]

I'm adding better templates to the Latvian versions of this page, and also deleting unnecessary division lines. Do you object? Am I doing something wrong? -- 15:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

  • We like division lines between languages. Please don't remove them. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
    • OK. I won't anymore. But on a politeness note: maybe next time you could drop me a note before blocking me? I noticed there were many entries without a division line between languages, and since I thought this was neater I started imitating it. But if someone had told me the community standard is having those lines, I would have put them back myself. (PS.: should I also insert division lines in new words / word forms I add? Or is there some bot that will do this automatically?) -- 10:44, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


Hey, I noticed you creating this so I checked out the English glycogenic, and that lists the etymology as glycogen + -ic. Should that perhaps be changed to match the French entry you've made? 50 Xylophone Players talk 13:34, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

  • That would be reasonable. I just copied the etymology from French Wiktionary. Or else it could come from glycogénie + -ique - this looks more likely.
Okay, I've changed it to glycogénie + -ique. 50 Xylophone Players talk 14:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

deletion of page[edit]

Hello SemperBlotto, you recently deleted a newly created entry called "vagina faggot". Your justification was that it might be a possible neologism or protologism. I feel inclined to assure you that the term is frequently used in wide parts of the United States, but unfortunately it lacks reference due to the fact that every effort to explain this word in a neutral context has been put off as an insincerity. I therefore impose upon you to enable the possibility for me to create the entry on the condition that it will be as detailed as possible. Thank you in advance for your understanding.

  • You would need to provide evidence of its use (and of its meaning). I can see some use that might have the meaning of lesbian. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:34, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the advice. I will bear it in mind.


Sorry, I should have checked... -- Gauss (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

User talk:[edit]

How can you be sure this is WF if a CU hasn't been done? Razorflame 16:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Because I have known him for years and can recognise his style immediately. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
    • Ah, that would make sense :) Thanks for the answer :) When did you move over from Italian to French? Razorflame 16:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
      • Sorry, I don't bother to keep track of when I start a new project. Just wait for my German chemistry words! SemperBlotto (talk) 16:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
        • I only wish that I could have as free of reign as you do over the languages you can edit. Ah can wish :) I'm quite content to edit Spanish, Ido, and Esperanto, but I might need to start learning another language soon to help ease my uneasiness :) Keep up the good work as always :) Razorflame 16:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


One for you, my friend


Am I correct in my translation of this French term from polynucléaire to polynuclear? That's my translation, and I'm not going to add it, since I don't know French, but I thought you might be able to make an entry for it since you have some French knowledge. Thanks, Razorflame 23:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

It's fine. Thanks for checking. Equinox 23:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem :) I would add it if I had the knowledge to do so, but as I don't :( Razorflame 23:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


...I'm glad that block was a mistake :L I was wondering what the hell I did wrong. 50 Xylophone Players talk 15:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

    • Yes - I hit the wrong link. Sorry. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Do we need another bureaucrat?[edit]

Hi SemperBlotto,

I've been asked to accept a nomination for bureaucrat, which I would, except that I didn't think we needed more bureaucrats . . . do we?

Thanks in advance,
11:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, there is very little -crat work to do. I haven't done any in ages. It's no problem to have too many though. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:26, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
  • That makes sense, thanks. :-)   —RuakhTALK 11:30, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


Was wondering if {{feminine past participle of|parlare}} would be better than {{feminine of|parlato}}. Isn't the first one easier to understand? It also automatically categorizes. How to achieve this possible switchover is another matter. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

  • OK. I'll do that for all new Italian verbs (but I haven't added a new one in ages). I'll also try to do the same for French ones (very many of which are missing altogether). SemperBlotto (talk) 10:28, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


Could you delete abanic (lower case) as I created it by accident. It was supposed to be capitalized. Thanks Speednat (talk) 21:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Unexplained reverts[edit]

For Christ's sake STOP making unexplained reverts of my good-faith contributions.

Deletion of modified نحلة طنانة[edit]

I am Air Miss, but I can't log in for some (unknown) technical reason. Can you tell me why you removed my edits, without knowing it was right and completed the entry? Sinply because this is a IP, not a name which made the edits. I imagine you will delete طنانة for the same reason? Agrrrrr! Wikipediah! User:Air Miss

  • Because of the multiple formatting errors. By the way, this is Wiktionary, not Wikipedia. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Apart from 'Wiktionarians' acting like 'Wikipedians', of course, may I ask you to help format my edits correctly, not delete the whole, just like that? User:Air Miss
Yes check.svg Done. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


Mister Knaggs, I am not so sure if classifying this as an alternative Form is appropriate, since it appears to be more as an Elision. Normally I would not classify a synonymous Term as an alternative Spelling if a Suffix, a Confix, or a ‘Præfix’ is absent. --Æ&Œ (talk) 17:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Feel free to do what you think best. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:03, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

not for the world[edit]

Hi. Is the format at not for the world OK? I copied the structure from the article no way. --Jarek Z (talk) 16:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

"Principle of Least Knowledge" vs "principle of least knowledge"[edit]

I am sorry to say that your "correction" was wrong. See the w:Principle of Least Knowledge article and you will see that it's a proper noun. Sae1962 (talk) 07:08, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Nowhere on Wikipedia does it say it is a proper noun. Perhaps you are getting confused because they use capital letters a lot on Wikipedia. Take it to the Tea room if you want other people's opinion. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Old Vandal[edit]

Here is a repeated Vandal, in the Case that you missed it. --Æ&Œ (talk) 10:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes. I missed it because the vandalism was quickly reverted. Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:15, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


Are you sure that this substantive is masculine ? --Æ&Œ (talk) 02:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Error. The noun is feminine. Corrected. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

User talk:PalkiaX50#User:Chris55[edit] there something that you, as a bureaucrat can do to help the situation here? User: PalkiaX50 talk to meh 12:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Category:Untranscluded templates[edit]

Thanks for working on emptying this category out. It is my understanding that there can be some types of templates that are actually in active use that are not transcluded, specifically those that are substed or preloaded. (Are there others?) In addition, there are some untranscluded templates that may not yet be deployed and some that are in some way worth preserving in Template space. There already is Category:Templates that must be substituted. I was planning on eventually creating categories for the preloads and, possibly, for works in progress and for the museum pieces. What do you think?

In addition, these categories have some value for maintenance purposes, but do not help much if someone is trying to find a template to use directly or as a model. Can you fit any of the templates on this category in more useful additional categories? DCDuring TALK 15:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

back to one line[edit]

Hi. I saw your most recent edit on the Wanted entries page. What do you mean by "back to one line"? There's a grey bar on the page which shows how wide the active list may be. If that's too wide, the bar should be narrowed. And if entries have to be removed from the active list because of this, I think it makes more sense to either put the oldest entries on that list back to the end of the queue, or the most recent ones to the front of it, rather than removing some entries in between. Just my two cents. Cheers, Longtrend (talk) 11:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

  • On my screen, the grey bar is still shorter that the current active list (even after my latest removal); it ends about the middle of "clerge". I requeued the strange character entries (rather than earlier words) because nobody seems able or willing to create such things. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Okay, this makes the grey bar pretty pointless, doesn't it? As for the strange characters, was recently created, so there's hope. Longtrend (talk) 11:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes. How things are displayed depends on very many different physical and logical variables. Physical and logical screen size, browser, browser settings (text size, fonts used etc.) SemperBlotto (talk) 11:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

My edits[edit]

Hi. I'm askign you as you're the only admin online. Can you look at all my edits and make sure I've editted correctly please. --Afrikaans speaker (talk) 20:08, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

strop trolling my edits[edit]

you're so annoying don't you have anything better to do than reverse constructive edits

Your two edits were revertable because
  1. Your related terms weren't related
  2. You made a major change to a definition, in effect 'speedy deleting' the previous definition which is a correct definition. Also you didn't change or remove the translations, with a change that major you'd have to remove all of the translations for that definition.
Mglovesfun (talk) 08:56, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
  1. oh they were related. unless you're an expert on the subject at hand, you have no right to edit it, since you won't know

what is related and what isn't.

  1. the previous definition was a correct definition only in dictionaries. the updated definition (the one i made), is reality. I prefer

accurate definitions that are true in reality rather than inaccurate ones that are there only in dictionaries to make feminists look better than what they really are. 00:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You do, of course, realize, that "Related terms" means linguistically related, not topically related. And you also must realize that we are trying to describe language as it is actually used. DCDuring TALK 00:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Clearly, you don't know what "related terms" means on Wiktionary. It is easy to see that misandry comes from a Greek root meaning "man", while feminist comes from a Latin root meaning "woman". There is no etymological relationship there. You should not be making those kinds of edits and chastising others when you do not know that "related terms" on Wiktionary are etymologically related, not topically related.
If you believe your definition is correct, you will need to support your view with quotations in which the word has that meaning. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC), I think you missed out two letters, you meant to write "stop patrolling my edits". Mglovesfun (talk) 10:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC), your definition might be valid. Feminism doesn't have an equivalent definition. If you can cite it, go ahead and do so. But don't remove a perfectly valid definition while doing so. Regarding "I prefer accurate definitions that are true in reality rather than inaccurate ones that are there only in dictionaries to make feminists look better than what they really are". Bullshit. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Cleaning up after your bot[edit]

Ruakh kindly compiled a list of Latin entries with serious problems for me, based on specifications given by people who reported errors in Latin entries at User talk:SemperBlottoBot. Not surprisingly, virtually the entire list is due to typos or mistakes in your bot's software over time. I would like you to help clean me fix them, possibly by using your bot or AWB. The complete list is at User:Metaknowledge/Latin problems. Would you be able to do that? I can give explanations of the specific kind of changes necessary. Thanks --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:53, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I have replied at the above link. The errors of the first type were pointed out to me ages ago (by EP) and the bot modified accordingly. The second group were caused by wrong macron (and breve) specification in the base entry. The bot was modified to try to spot such errors (ages ago) but bad entries were never retrospectively corrected. I don't think that I have time to correct the first group; I'll see what I can do about the second. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
    • I know that you fixed these errors a long time ago. The problem is that you never went back to fix your mistakes. You created a really big pile of totally inaccurate entries that claim that Latin has a common gender, so I think it's your duty to fix it. It might be easiest done by making a template edit and then using AWB to switch it over, substing the template. Alternatively, you could use the bot that spawned all those forms in the first place.
      I hope I don't sound harsh or angry, but it is really frustrating to me that these issues still exist. I think it's the responsible thing to do to reverse the damage. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 07:29, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Can you confirm that every one of those entries is to be corrected by replacing each common line with three lines (masculine, feminine, neuter). If so, I shall try to find time to fix them. You might like to know that before I started work on Latin entries a typical Latin text, when wikified, would contain about 5% blue links and 95% red - it is now the opposite. Not bad for an la-1 user. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
    I'm not denying that you've done wonders for Latin inflected forms. The real problem is that I don't even know about all the errors you've made. You see, people who actually know Latin are unlikely to ever come upon your bot's entries, because by looking at a word I can figure out the lemma, even if I don't know it. This cleanup is forcing forcing me to look at a lot of inflected forms now, and I've noticed two more problems just doing this work, and one more in verb forms as well. I thought that the cleanup would be an easy job, but now I realize that there are likely hundreds more error-filled entries out there waiting for an example to be noticed. Anyway, I'll be happy if at least we can clean up all the entries that we know have problems. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
    Nothing forces us to do anything here. We are all amateur volunteers doing the best that we can. Feel free to correct whatever you want to. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
    Ouch. That was actually unintentional, believe it or not. This is probably the fastest way to make you hate me, purely by accident. Or was it a Freudian slip? --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:17, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to thank you for all your trouble in this regard. I hope that this kind of job is never again necessary, and if it is, that I will do more of the work. Cheers! --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 15:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

  • That's OK. It made a change to do a bit of programming. Let me know of any other errors that you find. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

death rattle[edit]

I've been hearing this during Channel 5's Test Match coverage as 'the sound of the wicket being broken'. Have you heard of it as a cricket term too? Purely out of interest, do you follow matches on Sky or the radio or what? Mglovesfun (talk) 16:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I think this must just be a rather creative metaphor. Mostly I listen to it on the radio (BBC 5 live sports extra), sometimes when wikying. If I'm not wikying I sometimes watch it on Sky with the sound off while listening to it on the radio - but the difference in digital lag can be annoying (it used to be fine when it was on analogue Channel 4 and radio 2 longwave). SemperBlotto (talk) 16:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
    • p.s. However, there is the cricketing term "the death" - meaning the closing stage of a match - that we haven't got yet. SemperBlotto (talk) 16:46, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
      • Was gonna go down to the final day of the Test Match today (on foot, too!) but was working.


It is standard to allow this sort of redirect. This is because the French Wiktionary only uses forms, and interwiki bots link to them (e.g. fr:don't redirects to fr:don’t). Mglovesfun (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Memory stick[edit]

Hi. I noticed you reverted my revision to memory stick and would like a bit of clarification.

  1. Why did you remove the Sony flash card definition? Is there some rule on here about not using trademarks as definitions or something?
  2. Where did you get that etymology? Without a citation to suggest otherwise, I'd have thought that it simply derives from the fact that it is a stick-shaped storage device.
  3. I have changed the link to the wikipedia article. The one you left (Memory Stick) is about the Sony flash card format and thus is not appropriate to link to if that is not one of the definitions. At best it is confusing to the reader.
  4. Generally, something is either connected by USB or by a USB port/connector, not by a USB.

Alphathon (talk) 09:12, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

  • My understanding is that the Sony device is a Memory Stick - feel free to create an entry for it.
  • Etymology is all guesswork - I have no objection to you changing it.
  • If you think that a memory stick is just another term for USB flash drive then you need to create that entry (with its corresponding Wikipedia link).
  • Feel free to correct any of my grammatical errors. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


Never seen it before, and I'm sure you're right, but how does the etymology work? milli- is 1/1000 and deci- is 1/10, so I would have expected this to be 1/10,000 of an hour. Equinox 21:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I found it in w:fr:Temps and guessed (after finding other hits for it on the web). You were correct in removing the invented English equivalant - I couldn't find it either. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


Mglovesfun (talk) 11:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi SemperBlotto, You've created (a long time ago) this entry in inuktitut. But the correct name is : qausiqtuq (it is wet (form of verb) and also wet (adjective)) (ref : [9]) The alternate spelling due to voicing the median uvular q is : qausirtuq (ref : [10]). (I am in charge of inuktitut in the french wikt). If you agree, could you make the rename, since I am not comfortable with the syntax of the english wikt. and also maybe tell that to the Korean wikt. Many thanks in advance. Unsui (talk) 13:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I have moved it to qausiqtuq both here and on the Korean Wiktionary. I haven't got the authority to delete the redirect on the Korean wiki. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
OK, Thank you for your help. Unsui (talk) 15:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


Why do you keep deleting my page?--Devon Bell (talk) 16:56, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Nobody has a divine right to a user page on this wiki. They are for contributors to show others what languages they know and what other skills they have. You have not yet made any contributions to this wiki and do not look likely to make any. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


I would tend not to include the agrandissemens plural in the template, as it's just the pre-1835 spelling reforms plural for probably all words ending in -nt. The closest equivalent in English would be including -eth and -est forms for English verbs like talkest, talketh. agrandissemens itself is fine, I have no quibble with it. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

  • OK. I'm only adding them as I come across them. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


Hello. Please, unblock my bot, I thought global bots are allowed here. But in this case, I won't run it again. Sorry for any nuisance.--Avocato (talk) 23:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

  • You need a vote in order to run bots here. You are allowed a few test runs without bot status in order to show that it does no damage. Unblocked for now. SemperBlotto (talk) 06:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


should i add an etymology that states that it is likely from an erroneous phonetic transliteration of stutter or is that too conjecturey?Lucifer (talk) 19:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

  • I don't see how that would add any useful information additional to the definition. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:35, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


Isn't this a misspelling? It's certainly not a modern alternative spelling, the whole point is that è is pronounced /ɛ/, é is pronounced /e/ and e is either mute or pronounced /ə/. I know you've got a source, just what is it? Mglovesfun (talk) 10:59, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

  • fr:s:Cara - Mais, hélas ! il n’y a plus de pouvoir qui protége les familles... SemperBlotto (talk) 11:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
    • p.s. Feel free to modify or even delete. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


Are these physics terms SoP? I know your a chemist not a physicist, but I think you're the closest we've got. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

  • I had noticed them myself. Borderline, I would say. And some of them could do with a bit of format jiggling. (I have got a physics A-level - though it took me two attempts at the exam) SemperBlotto (talk) 15:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
That's very quantum. Equinox 15:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Gold star lesbian[edit]

You deleted gold star lesbian. I have found usage as early as 2000 in Google Books at and a number of hits on Google Scholar at I think it's a valid term. Eastmain (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, but they all seem to define the term (say what it means) rather than use it naturally. That's what makes me believe that it hasn't yet entered the language. SemperBlotto (talk) 15:00, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

your revert of an interwiki link i inserted[edit]

hi, can you explain: The link is semantically correct, but violates some convention i am unaware of? thanks, Doceddi (talk) 14:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

The word you added isn't the same word. It contains an h. Interwikis are for identical word forms. Equinox 14:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps you meant to add a translation? SemperBlotto (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Welcoming Committee[edit]

Greetings and thanks for allowing my participation in the Wiktionary Project.

I will gladly contribute in order to have my user page not be attacked without warning, provided that a civil communication can be achieved.

Being that you have admin priviledges I would assume you would be the right person to guide me in my efforts to contribute properly, and I request advice and would like for you to mentor me in the process of learning.

Thanks again for taking time to show my errors. Draconrex (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Addiction Psychologist deletion[edit]

Hi there! I just saw that you deleted my page that was created yesterday. YOu stated that there were too many errors. I am new to this site but have done some edits on wikipedia. I am curious what errors you are referring? I want to learn but can't if my page is automatically deleted w/o so much of a comment on my talk page. AddictionPsychologistFrank (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Bad capitalisation - perhaps you meant addiction psychologist. Etymology and pronunciation sections were that of the individual terms - we don't do that. You gave us two headword templates - wrong. Definition didn't start with a #. The template {{addiction psychologist}} doesn't exist - why should it? Related terms were not. Definition was for a profession, perhaps you meant a professional. Probable sum of parts - it's an addiction psychologist. Now do you see what I mean by "too many mistakes"? SemperBlotto (talk) 19:46, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
How many nouns can you put in front of 'psychologist' to get a real term? Despite that, I'd vote delete in a deletion debate as it can only really mean one thing, it's transparent. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:27, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


FYI, someone whose change you reverted has left you a message mistakenly on his own talk page: User talk: Equinox 11:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

User:2A02:2F02:C021:F012:0:0:4F76:F560[edit] an IPv6 address, so it shouldn't be blocked indefinitely.--Jasper Deng (talk|meta) 04:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

  • OK. I've started a discussion in the grease pit about such things. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:55, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

There is still an error in my. fucking. block log![edit]

How the hell do I get that error out of that block log of mine. I have never been blocked on any Wikimedia projects! Pdiddyjr (talk) 18:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not an error. The error is yours, you were blocked on Wiktionary in 2100 so it is not true to say you've never been blocked on any Wikimedia projects. Mglovesfun (talk) 19:18, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of multidrug therapy[edit]

Just because I am curious about it: Can you please explain why multidrug therapy is "sum of words", and music therapy not? Sae1962 (talk) 09:00, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


Hallo. You created this entry and its etymology is a bit on the curt side. Maybe you could change it to be a bit more? Korn (talk) 13:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Expanded to the limit of my knowledge. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

deletion history[edit]

You might want to delete the history on this page. Personal information. -- 15:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


Or is it a misspelling? fr:Special:WhatLinksHere/débarasser comes up with some analysis of online newspapers chocked full of silly errors (bugdets for budgets for example). Mglovesfun (talk) 10:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Maybe. Or even probly. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:21, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
    • p.s. Feel free to modify any of my French contributions as you see fit. SemperBlotto (talk) 10:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for your constructive feedback. I replied to your message on my talk page and copied the essence on the article's talk page. This made me (re-)add to the See also: "Yom Kippur (Jewish holiday) and adunatio (Ecclesiastical Latin)". Just hoping to help a bit. Wakari07 (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

page cancelled[edit]

Why did you cancel the page 'taliano I had created? What errors did I commit? —This unsigned comment was added by (talk).

  • Every section was at level 3 - language should have been at level 2, part of speech etc at level 3
  • You used "na" as the language code - that is for Nauruan words
  • You put it into category "English offensive terms - it isn't English
  • You said it was an adjective but defined it as a person or thing (noun)

OK? SemperBlotto (talk) 21:13, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

V8 Supercars UR Championship[edit]

Why was the V8 Supercars UR Championship 2012 deleted? —This comment was unsigned.


I think I missed something here; (s)he was making a lot of edits very quickly, but I didn't notice anything that seemed like it could be "intimidating behavior/harassment". What did you see? :-/

RuakhTALK 17:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Woah, that's bizarre. O.K., thanks. —RuakhTALK 18:42, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Range blocks[edit]

If you need to block an IPv6 user, it is pointless to try to block just one address. If you add /64 after the address to be blocked it turns it into a range block, which should be more effective. —CodeCat 15:32, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


Concerning my edit on 'zac'. Why exactly was it reverted? While it's currently not in common usage, many older folks use it as it was a common term used to describe the 5-cent coin due to having a similar value to the six-pence of the same name. Even now, it's occassionally used and in quite a few slang dictionaries. Thanks for your time. Australian Numismatist (talk) 21:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Specific epithets again[edit]

I know you have added a good number of these as Latin terms, for example, using Pengo's wonderful list. I also know that you have added those based on names of biologists and their friends to Translingual (Category:Translingual adjectives). I don't really care where we put them, but I would like to further reduce the number of them that are redlinks or link to entries that have neither Latin nor Translingual L2 sections, eg they have an Italian L2 only. I intend to use {{taxlink}} to render orange/yellow those that are "erroneously" in either Latin or Translingual if there is sufficient agreement on the proper L2.

Would it be a bad thing for all of them to be deemed Translingual, with an Etymology pointing to any true Latin origin? That would mean duplication, but it would facilitate providing definitions that fit how the terms are used in biology and zoology. It would also simplify any specialized bi- and trinomial inflection-line templates for taxonomic names as well as {{taxlink}}. DCDuring TALK 13:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  • No, I don't think that all of them should be classed as Translingual - some of them are actual, real Latin adjectives / participles. Also many of them are inflected exactly as such adjectives - the masculine, feminine and neutral forms being used as appropriate (and the bot generates those forms just as if there were "real" Latin - we would have to do that manually if we changed them to Translingual). However, I have no objection to you creating them in any way that you feel is right - I'm sure that most of our botanist / zoologist users don't give a toss what language we say the words are, just as long as we explain what they mean. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:13, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I still haven't decided which way to go. In my mind the issue is just: What will help identify redlinks associated with taxonomic names, wherever they occur or should occur, which includes vernacular name entries with or without wikilinked taxonomic names, even those don't have any taxonomic name for the the local species, but should? It is certainly arguable that the taxonomic use of species epithet words requires senses that do not exist in normal Latin. They are at least subsenses and they may differ between zoological and botanical use and even with those broad fields. DCDuring TALK 22:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


  • Hello. My concern with "Afro-Caribbean" is that I simply don't see at all how it can mean "Of or pertaining to a person or people of sub-Saharan African descent." That's just obviously not the definition. The definition inherently must include a connection to the Caribbean as well as Africa. Here's the Free Dictionary:
  1. Combining African and other, generally European cultural elements as found in the Caribbean region: Afro-Caribbean music; Afro-Caribbean religions.
  2. Of or relating to Afro-Caribbeans or their history or culture.

The definition of the term necessarily has to incorporate the definitions of both Caribbean and African. The Khoisan ethnic group may be described as "Of or pertaining to a person or people of sub-Saharan African descent" and yet I promise you that they aren't Afro-Caribbean. ― Wolfdog (talk) 18:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

  • That's more or less what our definition says. I have simplified it a little. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:36, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


Can't figure this one. Any ideas? SemperBlotto (talk) 07:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Great to see you still making progress! Spathifer seems to mean spade-bearing or spatula-bearing or "broad two-edged sword" bearing. "Spathe" might also be from Greek origin, the word σπάθη, which refers to "a flat blade used by weavers for striking the threads of the woof home, so as to make the web close". Or spathe of a plant. I got these answers by asking on Reddit, see all the responses: [11]. Pengo (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Doubt on categories[edit]

Hi! Why did you remove the Category:Latin noun forms from here? Just trying to learn something. Thanks! --Pequod76 (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

The templates create the categorization, so a hard-coded category is redundant. Should the category structure for Latin parts of speech or inflected forms change in some way the hard-coded category would interfere. In a somewhat analogous situation, I've just spent perhaps 100 hours trying to correct years of such problems in more than 1500 entries formerly in Category:Taxonomic names, now mostly in subcategories of Category:mul:Taxonomic names. Where feasible, template-based categorization is often more desirable than hard categorization. DCDuring TALK 19:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
The templates actually didn't add it to any category. I fixed it now, though. —CodeCat 19:23, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


As the creator, you might be interested in WT:Requests for deletion#Mustelidea. SpinningSpark 17:28, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


There is a little confusion in the definition of Naxalite; I have put it on the talk page. Please have a look. Shivashree (talk) 09:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


I took a run at this. I'm not very sure of the whole thing, but especially not of the chemistry-related glosses. Please take a look. Do with it what you will. DCDuring TALK 19:04, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Hmm. I would have guessed that it came from inosite + the suffix -ol. The names of these types of compound seem to derive from a related sugar - e.g. mannose => mannitol - but there isn't a corresponding inose. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Century online (great for this kind of thing) has inosite from inosic (only in inosic acid) "Appar. < *inose". Their explanation of inose is like the corresponding part of mine. Should the relevant portion of the etymology at inositol be moved to inosite then? I usually prefer piecewise etymologies to overly long ones anyway. I've been amusing myself finding the genus names that given their names to tribes, families, classes, orders, etc in taxonomy, but chemistry was never my subject. DCDuring TALK 19:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
inosic acid is a derivative of the unrelated inosine. I'm just going to watch some telly now, and will get back to you. Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I hope you enjoyed the show. It would seem that the "in-" part of the etymology certainly belongs at inosine given that it is found in muscle tissue. DCDuring TALK 20:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
The problem with inosite is that it is an old name for a poorly characterised material that might not even have been a single substance. These days it seems to be used as a synonym for inositol itself. I would probably keep things as they are. SemperBlotto (talk) 21:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

British and Irish Isles[edit]


I may have missed something but the page was previously deleted with "Failed RFV; do not re-enter without valid citations)". I re-created it with (what I believed to be) valid citations. I've opened a thread on the original deleting admin's page. Thanks, --Rannpháirtí anaithnid (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

chemical compounds[edit]

I see it as a start. If they are valid words they should have entries, which can always be built on. (Not sure if there's some "stub" marker I can put on them to indicate that they are very basic...?) The formulae are presumably accurate. As WP doesn't have detail about them it's not clear what they are used for, if anything. If you genuinely think these entries are worse than not having an entry at all (and us therefore lacking certain words of English) then I will reluctantly stop. There aren't that many more in the C18 list, though. Equinox 21:40, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


Ref. Your removal of my entry for 'toerag'.The entry by Rukhabot is a simplistic and incorrect derivation for the word. Toerag has become downgraded as a term of abuse,probably because of its use in the printed word where the the author/readers are not aware of its origin, which was not a dirty foot wrapping! I consider my entry important. It explains the origin of 'toerag' in a clear and concise way, hopefully without offending the readers. A lay-person can immediately understand why toerag came to be used as a term of abuse: but not of a persons level in society, 'tramp'-as Rukhabot suggests, but a person of bad character and morals at any level of society.

Remember, the Queen said to Alice 'A word can mean whatever I say it means'. SemperBlotto, please do not play the queen. Regards, deveil.

PS. In modern times, refridgeration and embarming will delay body decomposition, but the body cavities are still sealed using tampon type closures.Deveil (talk) 03:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

  • That's as may be. However, your edit was reverted because you added a load of encyclopedic material, including a sort of etymology, as if it were a second definition. Feel free to improve the existing definition, and add an ===Etymology=== section in the correct place. I have replaced the text in your talk page with our standard welcome links. SemperBlotto (talk) 07:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


Salut. Le modèle est sans succès. Ciao. --Æ&Œ (talk) 20:26, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The ennealogy of ennealogy[edit]

I am currently re-creating an entry for ennealogy, inspired by today's announcement of Disney's intention of making good on George Lucas's 30-year-old promise of a Star Wars ennealogy. I haven't seen the press use this word yet, but I'm sure many entertainment journalists are looking for it as I write this.

I see that ennealogy has been deleted 8 times in the past (7 by you, in fact), so I'm asking you to hold off any quick action. I'm not superstitious, but I think the ninth try should hold. To help this along, I'm adding all of Citations:ennealogy to the new entry and adding 2 older citations I came across, for a total of six references. (Google Book Search gave me 68 hits across 3 centuries; I can add as many as you feel appropriate.)

Ennealogy is not likely ever to be a common word like trilogy, but it's definitely not a protologism. I believe it deserves recognition, even without any Star Wars publicity. Thank you for considering my request. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


Hello! Even with good citations, we're not including this word? Leasnam (talk) 17:27, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

  • It didn't have any when I deleted it. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Gotcha. Thank you for restoring it. :) Leasnam (talk) 17:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


I think that Perriett might be your favourite boy under a new title. Y’know the one I’m talking about. But maybe that’s just me. --Æ&Œ (talk) 23:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

  • It's Perriette with an E at the end. And don't worry, he'll be back here around 7:35 to block me. --Perriette (talk) 23:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
So what is a Perriette? Female mineral water? Equinox 23:17, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Just one of the few usernames left that I haven't used yet. See you on Sunday. Regards. --Perriette (talk) 23:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry - I overslept. It was an hour later than that. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

French citations[edit]

I added a couple of French citations at frigotartinable and amarsir, to render them eligible for FWOTD, but my French is awful and I would really appreciate it if you could check my translations, especially for the latter. Thanks! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I've made a few small changes to make the language sound more natural. But, really, translation is more an art than a science. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
    I suppose that's the ultimate reason why Google Translate tends to be even worse than me. Ah well. Merci! —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:00, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


At Campicoloides#Etymology I have added campicola, a word which seems unlikely to exist except in taxonomical names. I don't have an authority for my interpretation of it. Is it Latin? Translingual? It has been used as a zoological species name and as an epithet, it seems. DCDuring TALK 21:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

can opener/can-opener/tin opener/tin-opener[edit]

Thanks for the help merging can-opener and can opener! I'm not sure what the right thing to do with tin-opener is, since it's an alternative form of a BE-only word. 11:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I've added an "alternative form of" template. The main thing is that users can find a definition with not too many clicks. SemperBlotto (talk) 12:01, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


I hope you find this amusing. I've had the same experience a few times, even though my oldest contributions were not so long ago. DCDuring TALK 14:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Dummy Up[edit]

just wondering why the updated definition was rolled back? i had fixed it to match the template and the meaning was sound

  • For a start, I suppose you mean dummy up. It is a verb; your example sentence used the words as an interjection. Also your "definition" was nothing of the sort - it was some sort of discussion. p.s. Sentences start with a capital letter; the personal pronoun I is written with a capital letter. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
    How would you tell between an interjection and an imperative? —CodeCat 22:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
    • In English, the imperative is followed by an exclamation mark. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:30, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
      Really? I think it helps to disambiguate it, but it's certainly not always used. —CodeCat 22:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
      • I think that we need to reinstitute the additional meaning of dummy up to include all linguistic meanings as not all definitions are as narrowly defined as they currently are on wiktionary due to the overzealous nature of some administrators.?
I don't think anyone's objecting to good definitions, only to bad ones, like yours. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Im sorry i didnt mean to be offensive... nor start some sort of english composition measuring contest... i merely wanted to improve the linguistic knowledge contained on this website.
I have modified the second definition (of the verb) to take into account your addition. I don't think that your example, in which the imperative of the verb was used, actually merits a separate interjection definition. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:20, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


Grotty little Brits. (So said the Roman soldiers at Vindolanda, Hadrian's Wall, apparently). Sort of thing that appeals to my sense of humour. Yours too, at a guess. But I have no idea how to format the entry. I leave it in your good hands. Cheers. -- ALGRIF talk 11:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Added. I'm not quite sure how to describe it. It is not simply a diminutive. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Thanks. I'm sure the Romans used it in a very derogatory way at all times. (Assuming they were obliged to mention the Brits at all, that is.) ;-) -- ALGRIF talk 11:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


What up, Blotster. You edited redox indicator. Do you know what autoredox is? Perhaps something involved in a redox reaction that triggers the reaction itself? Guessing. Equinox 22:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Scratches head ..... click! Ah yes, now I remember. It is normally written auto-redox, and describes a situation in which part of the reactant is oxidised, and part reduced. An example would be Br + H2O => BrO3- + Br- + H+ (I haven't balanced the equation, but that only a matter of algebra). SemperBlotto (talk) 22:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
    • 2Br2 + 3H2O => BrO3- + 3Br- + 6H+ (that should be correct if there is the same number of each atom, and of charges on both sides) SemperBlotto (talk) 22:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi my edit to the “trans-dimensional” page is the first I have made on wiki. If you do a google scholar search of trans-dimensional it can be seen that many people use the term to refer to statistical estimation process that incorporate model selection (or model dimension) into parameter uncertainty estimation. If the definition I gave was poorly written I apologize us dyslexic statistician are not know for our writing. I think that mentioning the statistical use of the word is very important as it is becoming more and more popular in fields such as geoacoustic and geophysical inversion. There are many papers by Dettmer or Sambridge in these fields using the term. —This unsigned comment was added by Wyverstein (talkcontribs).

  • Hi. I assume you are the same as "", who edited transdimensional (with no hyphen). The edit was totally incomprehensible; most of the words made sense by themselves, but I couldn't make out what the sentence actually meant, especially as none of the more exotic terms were wikilinked (with pairs of square brackets). SemperBlotto (talk) 08:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
    • p.s. Zero hits for the term on mathworld, but I've tried to add a simple definition based on what I can see without paying on Google scholar. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:23, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
      • p.p.s. I've added a few citations which, I'm hoping, will support the definition. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:41, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The new def is much better than both old one and the one i wrote. I would suggest that mathematics be changed to statistics as this is really the only place within mathematics that i have ever seen the term used.


I have sent one of the senses of "fractal" to RFV, as I could not find two distinct uses of the word (WT:RFV#fractal). As you have originally created "fractal" with two senses, can you clarify at RFV what made you think there were two senses, ideally with links to attesting quotations? --Dan Polansky (talk) 14:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


What was wrong with that edit? --Æ&Œ (talk) 08:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Would replacing / with or help? --Æ&Œ (talk) 08:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Not particularly. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:44, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


Apparently, this prefix has two additional chemical senses: (i) "denoting a type of hydrocarbons which are regarded as methenyl derivatives" (Webster 1913) and (ii) "now used differently, for optical isomers" (transcriber's note). Are they legit? Worth having? Equinox 23:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I don't recognise the first sense. the second sense is legit, and I have added a definition. The definition maybe a bit technical - but means that a meso-compound has two asymmetric centres that cancel out, typically as they are each side of a plane of symmetry. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


If you think this rollback is in error, please leave a message on my talkpage.

Hi, SemperBlotto, I do think this rollback is in error: there is no dance or song called the flamenco, any more than there is one called the bluegrass or the country. For reference, see (for example) The Art of Flamenco by Donn Pohren.

This is not to say that some prominent writers haven't used the term in ignorance, which is why I left the quotation in.

BTW this is my area, I am the flamenco correspondent for Classical Guitar magazine. Paul Magnussen (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

  • We record the language as it is actually used by people in the real world. If you search Google, for instance, you will find very many hits for the phrase "dance the flamenco" (not too many for "sing a flamenco"). SemperBlotto (talk) 16:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
The entry as it stood recorded the language as it was actually used by people in the real world, together with the information that this usage was incorrect.
If there is such a dance as the flamenco, what are its characteristics, e.g. its time signature? There's no answer, because there's no such thing. People ignorant of a subject use language in all sorts of uninformed ways. Those who don't play tennis (and some who do) say volley when they mean rally. Surely the purpose of a dictionary is to impart accurate information, not to sanctify errors by perpetuating them? Paul Magnussen (talk) 21:10, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
The purpose of a dictionary is to explain what people mean by the words they use. Language is generally a living thing shaped by people, not dictated by dictionaries, and the books must change to reflect real-world usage (e.g. ugly constructions like irregardless; new meanings like gay = homosexual). Equinox 21:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation and Etymology for "squander"[edit]

I added etymology information from etymonline, which is understandable if it is not acceptable, but also revised the pronunciation. Could you perhaps explain why these are wrong? Minime12358 (talk) 20:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

  • I removed the etymology as it was a copyright violation. I'm sorry if I remove the changes to the pronunciation at the same time - I haven't got a clue if that was right or wrong, not speaking IPA. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Ooh, alright, I see. I made the IPA revision the same minute you reverted to the old one, so it is definitely understandable. I went ahead and put the IPA back in. Minime12358 (talk) 00:31, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
      • The IPA is wrong. Some of those sounds don't occur in US English. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:46, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


I attempted to add a definition of Hortigation as I am in the horticulture business. This was deleted instantly as tosh. This was my first page and could do with hints as to how to put the page on properly. What did I do wrong and how best can I correct it?

Spacecadet70 (talk) 16:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Presumably what you did wrong was create a page for a word that doesn't exist. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. Zero hits on Google book search. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:04, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Etymology "flirt"[edit]

I think you are wrong to undo my contribution. "Flirt" clearly comes from the Old French "Fleureter" and it's clearly indicated on the French definition of "Fleureter": "The english 'to flirt' comes from a corruption of the word 'fleureter' "

  • Possibly. All etymology seems to be guesswork to me. However, our etymology sections have a strict format - you can't just add unformatted text. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
fr:fleureter does link fleureter to English flirt, but says it was only coined in the 16th century so cannot be from Old French. I see no reason why their etymology would be more reliable than ours already listed at flirt#Etymology. Anyone got any evidence either way? Mglovesfun (talk) 15:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

My Userpage[edit]

I came back today to do look at doing a few edits after spending a couple days reading through all the instructions and reviewing some other editors contributions. Imagine my surprise when I saw my Userpage was deleted with a message implying that creating a user page while trying to learn the ropes is discouraged. Not a very welcoming way to greet a potential editor. Its cool though there are plenty of other projects I can go back to working on. May I suggest using a Welcome template or something next time? It might help to keep editors instead of driving them away with bad faith comments. Kumioko (talk) 01:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg DoneΜετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 05:58, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
The purpose of a user page is to say what languages you speak, what expertise you have, and what you are trying to achieve with your contributions. This lets other users know how reliable your contributions might be. Your user page does none of that; in fact, it has zero usable content. Also, you have made no contributions here, so don't need a user page at all. So, either add useful information to your user page (look at other people's pages) and start to make contributions (read your welcome links), or else let use know that you won't be contributing and we will remove your first attempt at a user page. SemperBlotto (talk) 08:56, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I have noticed that you deleted this page; I did create it only after reading the word in corriere della sera - as such sufficient notability should be given. A quick google search on corriere della sera & tronista will give you some hits, otherwise I will try to find the original article. Also, when deleting stuff you could surely notify the author. Richiez (talk) 14:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Changed heading to tronista. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Butting in, is 'corriere della sera' (sic) a newspaper? If so that would count as one of the three citations of WT:CFI#Attestation. On its own it's not enough to verify it, newspapers do after all use humorous coinages/non-words which we don't include here. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
It is the newspaper, or rather its various online portals as I didn't have a printed copy of the Corriere in my hands for some years. Try google "tronista" - 975 pages for me. Even ex-communist Unita (google "tronista") has plenty hits for this utterly decadent capitalist word. I think phrases like "Domenici bello come un tronista ci farei un film" (from the Unita google search) demonstrate quite clearly that it is a common word with a meaning beyond its original context. Richiez (talk) 12:51, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
WT:CFI#Attestation rules out websites which are not 'durably archived', ones where the content may be deleted. It's evidence you need, not discussion. Mglovesfun (talk) 13:17, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Not quite sure what you mean here, articles on Corriere website are usually durably archived but nobody can guarantee they won't disappear tomorrow. Richiez (talk) 19:01, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I have created Citations:tronista - but they all seem to relate to the TV show. Feel free to add any citations you can find that show a meaning other than one relating to the TV show. (Then we'll see if we can come up with a definition) SemperBlotto (talk) 15:23, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Appears that tronista is in the Zingarelli dictionary since 2009 ( I don't have it but perhaps someone else? Quite possibly the meaning has evolved a little bit since then but it would be a good start. Btw can you restore the old page for reference somewhere? Richiez (talk) 20:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I only have a "Zingarelli minore" (from 1994). The old page looked like rather this:-
# (tv neologism) 'bachelor' as in "bachelor show"
* [ Tronista article in nonciclopedia]

By the way, I don't think that it is derived from troneggiare. SemperBlotto (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I beleive the tronista is/was sitting on a kind of throne in the original show and thats where the term was derived from. Italian wikipedia says "Ogni stagione vengono nominati i "tronisti", ovvero coloro i quali sono alla ricerca di un/a compagno/a. Essi siedono su di un trono e vengono presentati loro alcuni/e ragazzi/e e lui/lei dovrà conoscerle/i.". There are other references like "Tronfia, la tronista troneggia sul trono" (
Apparently there was a blue and pink trone and the word can be female as well as male which escaped me back then.
Btw did someone else edit the old page before it was deleted who might perhaps give us some input? Richiez (talk) 11:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
It was only edited by a bot (to correct some formatting errors). I think it might pass our criteria for inclusion with another couple of citations showing a sense that has nothing to do with the TV show. SemperBlotto (talk) 13:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
There are now a few such citations. Isn't the Zingarelli a better inclusion criteria? Richiez (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
OK. Would you like to recreate it, finding a definition that suits the citations. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:47, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
By the way, inclusion in another dictionary (such as Zingarelli) is not part of our Criteria for Inclusion. In fact, we are allowed to delete words that are in several other dictionaries if we can't find actual usages of the word. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:49, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

block ([edit]

I saw that. You should not block this IP adress. One delete is not enough. ( Acélkandúr12 (talk) 22:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


I've nominated ciabatta (slipper) for FWOTD, but it needs citations to qualify, if you can help. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

  • I've added citations for the plural - much easier to find on Google books. SemperBlotto (talk) 14:57, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


I looked on BGC, and got a lot of hits for the band, but not much that would actually cite an English term. Are you sure this is citeable? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 15:50, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


I wrote 4 refrence of transgender lesbian. It should revive. I request this article to rfv.

And I dontt understand block.

I don'agree. But please revive my talk page.--레즈큐읭 (talk) 15:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

  • It wasn't written in comprehensible English so speedy deletion is right here. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I thibk this word is at least protologism. --레즈큐읭 (talk) 06:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

rare misspellings[edit]

I'm a little worried that some of your entries like spuriousity, which I guess is from your sandbox (hence used in a text somewhere) are in fact rare misspellings. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

vital spark[edit]

dude i totally am ticked off with you! you destroyed vital spark the page I MADE! if it had wrong definition you could have told me that! you do not need to delete it and say TOTALLY WRONG! YOU KNOW HOW MEAN THAT IS! I am fairly new to wikipedia and wiktionary and you just deleted my page! how dare you!Venomxx (talk) 18:09, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

  • You honestly think that vital spark is a verb. You have no business editing a dictionary. SemperBlotto (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

dude really! i was speeding just to see if it would work, then fix it! im fairly new i was just seeing if it would work. you know what, you'RE a joke, JoKe, JOKE! AAND IVE MADE EDITS ON THE RED EARED SLIDER PAGE, ARE YOU GOING TO DELETE THAT!

Oh come on, if you're ticked off or not doesn't matter. SemperBlotto was obviously right to delete the page in the state it was in. Clearly you're young but plenty of children can act with dignity and class and I think you should do the same. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:06, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Dignity? Class? Nope, none to be found around here :) —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:00, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I assume you mean the red-eared slider - but I can't see any of your edits to it. In fact, you don't seem to have made any sensible edits at all. (and you really need to fix that sticky Caps Lock key) SemperBlotto (talk) 22:13, 22 December 2012 (UTC) sorry i was just pissed off that you should have told me. i didn't know that you where a top class wikipedian im sorry i thought you where some idoit minor and metaknowlage your funny Venomxx (talk) 23:26, 22 December 2012 (UTC) im also really sorry if i took impoertant time from you- you just sounded mean when i was pissed like when you said really? a verb? it felt like yo7u where saying to me: your stupid and that page was not right! f.y.i. im sorry my edits where on wikipedia and they where here: the last bullet point in ideal conditions for captivity and in the fist paragraph of environment was my edits to red-eared slider and semper, how old are YOU? im almost 12- i will be in less then a month. your talk page is long- you should delete what is old/outdated


Hello SemperBlotto,
for inflected forms like these you can use this website although in some few cases the automatically generated forms given there can be wrong. But since this is very rare we decided to use this website as a standard reference on the German wiktionary. There you can see that "extraterrestrische" is not only feminine singular (e.g.: (die) extraterrestrische Intelligenz - with and without article). It can also be a masculine (e.g.: der extraterrestrische Organismus - only with article) and neuter singular (e.g.: das extraterrestrische Leben - only with article) as well as plural for all three genders (e.g.: extraterrestrische Objekte, extraterrestrische Strahlungen, extraterrestrische Vorgänge - only without article).
I hope this could help you. If you have more questions, don't hesitate to ask. I'm not online everyday, so it might take some days to answer. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year, best regards Caligari ƆɐƀïиϠ 14:06, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

If you want to find out the meaning of a word, you can use these websites:,, For dated words you can use Grimm's dictionary. Caligari ƆɐƀïиϠ 15:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not yet embarking on a German project, just trying to add them as I scan science journals for new English words (normally references to a work in a German journal). SemperBlotto (talk) 15:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Can you stop deleting my Rolandhelper's page?[edit]

I was requested unblock request on my real talk page,User talk:Rolandhelper,but why you remove it with no reason? i just request but why you remove my talk page? please explain before remove anything,in that case you will send me to SPI?--Mutemaxe III (talk) 12:54, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


Just in case you did not notice: I replied this time on my talk page. Cheers, Caligari ƆɐƀïиϠ 16:30, 27 December 2012 (UTC)


It looks like something went wrong here, but I've spot-checked a few pages of your bot's other contributions and they look fine, so it was probably just due to the odd format of [[Strichmädchen]], which I see you've cleaned up. I'm excited to see German inflected forms being added! - -sche (discuss) 17:07, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes, I've fixed that entry. In case you are wondering - I saw on our Statistics page that German had far fewer pages here than the other major European languages, so thought I would do something about it. My German is very rusty, and was never very good (just touristy). It was no big deal to adapt my bot to add inflected forms of German adjectives and nouns - I'll see what else it can do. I am also trying to add a few words (very slowly and cautiously), taking as my source w:de:Wasserstoff (as a trial). Cheers. SemperBlotto (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
    Nice. So far, I've only found three more errors, all caused by malformed entries: [12], [13] and [14]. I've also discovered that almost every time your bot "appends" a German section to an entry because it ‘doesn't already have one’, it's because someone malformed the entry on that end and used the wrong L2. - -sche (discuss) 07:45, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
    You can't really expect a bot to understand such mistakes without making it needlessly complicated. However, SemperBlotto, I notice that your bot is adding rather deprecated code. Using a raw bolded headword is generally discouraged in favour of using a headword-line template like {{head|de}}. And adding a raw link to {{plural of}} was deprecated... I think years ago? —CodeCat 19:44, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
    Template {{head}} is one of the reasons this wiki is so slow. For example {{head|de}} generates over a dozen lines of code, full of "if" elements, just to display what a simple bolded string would have done. It does nothing else whatsoever. What a waste! SemperBlotto (talk) 20:26, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
    @CodeCat: I don't expect the bot to understand such mistakes; I think it's a 'bonus feature' that its contribs list lets me find them, though. - -sche (discuss) 21:29, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
    By the way, when and where were raw bolded headwords deprecated? Especially in plurals, they still see to be the norm! WT:ACCEL produces them. - -sche (discuss) 22:36, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
    Well aren't they a holdover from the time before we had templates? For English it doesn't matter but that's the only case where it doesn't. For all other languages there is a difference. —CodeCat 23:19, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


Good day, not sure what's your issue with the "hole-in-the-wall" edit? I added the natural feature, being busy creating Hole-in-the-Wall, Eastern Cape on Wikipedia. Please revert back or inform me urgently! thanks, Aliwal2012 (talk) 11:30, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

  • You didn't give any definition, just an example of its use. Also, I doubt that it is a general term for any geological feature - it doesn't seem to be in any geology dictionary. Capitalised, it's probably just a fanciful name. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
What more can I say? It's a hole in a rock, a geological formation! Like the hole in a doughnut! Aliwal2012 (talk) 11:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
In that case, see the SOP entry in Wiktionary:Glossary. We don't accept such terms. SemperBlotto (talk) 11:53, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

mettersi d'accordo[edit]

Hi SemperBlotto, I'd like to recreate the page mettersi d'accordo (and also the related mettere d'accordo). You deleted the page 4 years ago with the reason "sum of parts", but I don't agree with this reason; In Italian these words togheter assume a different meaning than the single parts, and I think there should be a dedicated page. What do you think? Best Regards --Diuturno (talk) 14:17, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


I wish to create the page nunu, which is a term I use, and which several of my family members use as a term of endearment. Does this comply with your wiki's standards for page creation? If not could you advise me further? Eeufees (talk) 19:37, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Probably not (for instance, I can't find it in any other dictionary, and there are no obvious hits on a Google book search). See Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion. SemperBlotto (talk) 20:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC) p.s. The OED has it as a Soth African weevil.


It’s broken. --Æ&Œ (talk) 08:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Removed (didn't know how to fix it). SemperBlotto (talk) 08:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


Any reason not to block this on sight? Mglovesfun (talk) 16:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Well, on sight, no. Firstly, the spirit of Christmas is with me until tomorrow. Secondly, bots are allowed to make test runs. Of course, the bot will have to go to the vote (and the outcome is not difficult to guess). —This unsigned comment was added by SemperBlotto (talkcontribs).
Not difficult to guess? -- Gauss (talk) 01:12, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, you never know what might happen. Personally, I'll abstain. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)